Strib story on gun ownership

[atomic41]

The good news here is that if you have to lie this hard then you have no foundation to stand on. They are desperate so they resort to desperate tactics. We are winning but can't let our guard down for a second. I think that time is a key factor in their desperation. The gun business is booming and more homes have guns in them than ever before so the longer it takes for them to confiscate our guns...the harder it's going to be. They know this.

[Ghost]

The number of civilian gun owners has grown alongside the U.S. gun stock. In 2015, there were approximately 55 million gun owners, compared with approximately 44 million in 1994. But because of population increases, the share of Americans who own guns over the same period dipped slightly, from 25 percent to 22 percent.

https://www.thetrace.org/2016/09/harvard-gun-ownership-study-self-defense/

[jdege]

The good news here is that if you have to lie this hard then you have no foundation to stand on. They are desperate so they resort to desperate tactics. We are winning but can't let our guard down for a second. I think that time is a key factor in their desperation. The gun business is booming and more homes have guns in them than ever before so the longer it takes for them to confiscate our guns...the harder it's going to be. They know this.

The reason I thought that shall-issue would be the winning issue for us is that it breaks their most powerful weapon.

They'd spent decades trying to convince gun owners that gun ownership was somehow odd and perverse. That gun ownership was rare and unusual.

It's hard to maintain that lie when there are 240,000 of your friends and neighbors have shelled out $100 for a carry permit.

[Ghost]

The good news here is that if you have to lie this hard then you have no foundation to stand on. They are desperate so they resort to desperate tactics. We are winning but can't let our guard down for a second. I think that time is a key factor in their desperation. The gun business is booming and more homes have guns in them than ever before so the longer it takes for them to confiscate our guns...the harder it's going to be. They know this.

The reason I thought that shall-issue would be the winning issue for us is that it breaks their most powerful weapon.

They'd spent decades trying to convince gun owners that gun ownership was somehow odd and perverse. That gun ownership was rare and unusual.

It's hard to maintain that lie when there are 240,000 of your friends and neighbors have shelled out $100 for a carry permit.

Especially as other states are pushing gun rights even further
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/09/16/breaking-news-missouri-legalizes-constitutional-carry/

Just this past Wednesday, Missouri legalized concealed carry without requiring a license. This grants concealed carry citizens the freedom to go where open carry is allowed. They join 10 other states that recognize constitutional carry. They also changed a few other laws.

Missouri has added Stand Your Ground laws as well as broadened Castle Doctrine. Castle Doctrine will no encompass baby sitters and allow them to protect lives in someone else’s home.

[jdege]

It's hard to maintain that lie when there are 240,000 of your friends and neighbors have shelled out $100 for a carry permit.

Especially as other states are pushing gun rights even further
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/09/16/breaking-news-missouri-legalizes-constitutional-carry/

Just this past Wednesday, Missouri legalized concealed carry without requiring a license. This grants concealed carry citizens the freedom to go where open carry is allowed. They join 10 other states that recognize constitutional carry. They also changed a few other laws.

Missouri has added Stand Your Ground laws as well as broadened Castle Doctrine. Castle Doctrine will no encompass baby sitters and allow them to protect lives in someone else’s home.

Yep. We've had four statues go Vermont this year:

[Ghost]

That's a great graphic

[LarryP]

And that graphic can be erased if a Liberal Supreme court justice is appointed by Hillary and approved by congress

[xd ED]

And that graphic can be erased if a Liberal Supreme court justice is appointed by Hillary and approved by congress

How does SCOTUS change (MINN) state law as it applies to carry law?

[Randygmn]

And that graphic can be erased if a Liberal Supreme court justice is appointed by Hillary and approved by congress

How does SCOTUS change (MINN) state law as it applies to carry law?

It wouldn't change anything until the Minnesota Supreme Court had a liberal advantage and a case opposing Shall issue gets appealed to the court. If the US SC overturns Heller and reverses the tenet that the right is individual, then all bets are off.

[xd ED]

And that graphic can be erased if a Liberal Supreme court justice is appointed by Hillary and approved by congress

How does SCOTUS change (MINN) state law as it applies to carry law?

It wouldn't change anything until the Minnesota Supreme Court had a liberal advantage and a case opposing Shall issue gets appealed to the court. If the US SC overturns Heller and reverses the tenet that the right is individual, then all bets are off.

So your short answer would be: state carry laws are...state issues, correct?
I recognize, and fear a clinton SCOTUS as much as anyone, but MN enacted the MPPA long before Heller was decided, and it would be the MN legislature that changes that. Something to ponder as election day draws near.

[MJY65]

I recognize, and fear a clinton SCOTUS as much as anyone, but MN enacted the MPPA long before Heller was decided, and it would be the MN legislature that changes that. Something to ponder as election day draws near.

Exactly.

[jdege]

And that graphic can be erased if a Liberal Supreme court justice is appointed by Hillary and approved by congress

How does SCOTUS change (MINN) state law as it applies to carry law?

Back when he was running for Senate, Obama advocated for a federal law that would forbid states from passing shall-issue permitting laws. Given the right [sic] SCOTUS appointments, that might stand up to review.

[photogpat]

Lie first, lie often....thats the mantra of the antis.

They've now changed the narrative to suit them - and we're on the defense again.

Remember, they're not trying to convince us.....they're trying to convince the fence sitters in the middle.

[Randygmn]

It wouldn't change anything until the Minnesota Supreme Court had a liberal advantage and a case opposing Shall issue gets appealed to the court. If the US SC overturns Heller and reverses the tenet that the right is individual, then all bets are off.[/quote]
So your short answer would be: state carry laws are...state issues, correct?
I recognize, and fear a clinton SCOTUS as much as anyone, but MN enacted the MPPA long before Heller was decided, and it would be the MN legislature that changes that. Something to ponder as election day draws near.[/quote]

Right. So as to avoid that possibility on either the state or federal level, never voting for the party of gun control is prudent (and necessary) if you're concerned about the second amendment.

[Ghost]

#NEVERDEM