Holland&Holland wrote:greenfarmer wrote:I can not disagree with you more. I believe in freedom, not socialism.
I think you better look around. 30 years ago, we had freedom! Now, this country is becoming more socialist than ever. Why? Society has changed. And now because of the way society is, we need more laws in certain areas to protect people from others.
Seriously, sit back and think about it.
This kid was probably never spanked. Mom or dad probably never disciplined him. He was probably able to get away with anything he wanted to. It's obvious! School had to expel him because of it. There's flat out no respect anymore for other people, their lives, or their property. It's all about me. It's the way kids are raised now.
Seriously, look back thru history. Since columbine, it's a kid that goes back and pulls this stuff. It's not a 45 year old adult. It's a kid. They aren't raised now, the way some of us older generation were. Mommy or daddy coddled him, let him get his way 24/7, then an authority figure stepped on their toes just once, and then they go off and do things like this.
Columbine
Aurora
Sandy hook
Florida night club
Most recent
It's all kids!
Mom and dad, teachers, authority figures.. they need discipline, and to spark these little brats once in a while. So these kids actually learn respect, and what's right from wrong. But nope, society has gone way too much of a pansy, coddle these little babies type of parenting.
So your proposal, let me get this straight, is no one is allowed to own guns until the age of 45, unless they have a certificate stating they were beat by Green Farmer as a kid? Sounds like a great platform.[/quote]
Ok holland and holland, I'm going to break it down for you so it's easier to understand
Columbine shooting was done by 2 kids, who if I remember correctly were 17 and 18 years old
Aurora was done by one shooter who was 24 at the time, also, this wasn't a school.
Sandy hook was done by a 20 year old
Florida night club was a 29 year old security guard. Another non school shooting
MSD high school in Florida was a 19 year old kid.
Now, because of the generation gap, and how children were raised in years ago, compared to kids now, that's where this sort of thing is coming from. Now it's participation ribbon bs, to make these kids all feel good. Where as my generation, you had to work to earn it. You worked to earn and understand what respect is, what listening to your elders is. What's right from wrong. You weren't coddled.
Now, these kids that are pulling these heinous acts off, are from the generation of participation ribbons, coddled, given what they want, without learning respect or what work is, they are never forced to go out and earn what they have. Mommy and daddy reinforce the bad behavior by rewarding them. Adam Lanza was reported to have said at one time he felt his mother loved the children at the school more than him, back when she worked there before he went on his shooting spree.
There were reports of him planning that, and talking about it years before he did it.
There are reports of this 19 year old talking about it on social media prior to it happening. Now reports of voices in his head telling him to do it.
It's a mental health problem. And it all starts with the family and home life. It's a fact! There has been studies and information out there you can take the time to research if you'd like. But children that grow up in a broken home, are 9 times more likely to commit crimes. And a child growing up in a broken home, also doesn't face the discipline that older generations did. Because mother and father coddle the child because they fight for that child's attention, and want to use that lack of discipline to have the child want to be with them, or think they are the better parent.
This Cruz came from a broken home. He and his brother were adopted at a very young age. Father died a long time ago. Then his mother died.
Adam Lanza, his parents were divorced in 2009 and she was awarded custody of him.
The two columbine shooters were arrested in January 1998 and charged with 3 felonies. They were put in a juvenile diversion program. Lol! Eric Harris actually didn't even finish his! But talked his supervisor into signing off on hours that he wasn't there for.
Now, tell me again, where exactly am I wrong? The way children are raised now, compared to when I was a child, is so much more different. Broken homes, lack of discipline, and respect. I will guarantee you, that has something to do with these cases.