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South metro AD

Postby yukonjasper on Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:21 pm

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Re: South metro AD

Postby Rip Van Winkle on Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:46 pm

The man who shot the firearm will be charged for reckless use of a firearm, according to authorities.

As it should be.
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Re: South metro AD

Postby Ghost on Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:51 pm

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Re: South metro AD

Postby yukonjasper on Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:17 pm

Obviously the statement about removing from the safe and unloading the weapon was not accurate. How tough is it to remove the mag, rack the slide take a look..or kick out the cylinder and take a look...how can you unload it and leave a round. Probably should read that he thought he stored it unloaded and did not check to verify.

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Re: South metro AD

Postby Rip Van Winkle on Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:43 pm

He negligently broke at least 2 of Cooper's 4 rules.
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Re: South metro AD

Postby Holland&Holland on Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:09 pm

Technically wouldn't it be a ND since he purposely pulled the trigger? I always thought of an AD being something like you dropped the gun and it went off.
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Re: South metro AD

Postby Ghost on Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:18 pm

Holland&Holland wrote:Technically wouldn't it be a ND since he purposely pulled the trigger? I always thought of an AD being something like you dropped the gun and it went off.

I consider them all ND’s
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Re: South metro AD

Postby Holland&Holland on Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:30 pm

Ghost wrote:
Holland&Holland wrote:Technically wouldn't it be a ND since he purposely pulled the trigger? I always thought of an AD being something like you dropped the gun and it went off.

I consider them all ND’s

I can see that but at some point I thought their was a differentiator between a mechanical failure and a brain malfunction.
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Re: South metro AD

Postby Ghost on Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:48 pm

Holland&Holland wrote:
Ghost wrote:
Holland&Holland wrote:Technically wouldn't it be a ND since he purposely pulled the trigger? I always thought of an AD being something like you dropped the gun and it went off.

I consider them all ND’s

I can see that but at some point I thought their was a differentiator between a mechanical failure and a brain malfunction.

https://www.usacarry.com/accidental-discharge-negligent-discharge/

Both Accidental Discharges and Negligent Discharges can happen but they mean completely different things. The two terms are not interchangeable and most shooters will never experience an accidental discharge. 99.9% of the time you hear someone referring to an accidental discharge it is actually a negligent discharge.


Accidental: happening by chance, unintentionally, or unexpectedly.
Negligent: failing to take proper care in doing something.
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Re: South metro AD

Postby Holland&Holland on Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:46 pm

That is what I was thinking of. My example was probable wrong. An AD might be more of say when Rem 700s were going off upon bolt closure. Muzzle still was downrange and in a safe direction but it was not a negligent act of the user it was a mechanical failure.
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Re: South metro AD

Postby Ghost on Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:53 pm

Holland&Holland wrote:That is what I was thinking of. My example was probable wrong. An AD might be more of say when Rem 700s were going off upon bolt closure. Muzzle still was downrange and in a safe direction but it was not a negligent act of the user it was a mechanical failure.

I could see that but if the bullet hits your kid it falls back into negligence because of muzzle control.
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Re: South metro AD

Postby Holland&Holland on Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:56 pm

Ghost wrote:
Holland&Holland wrote:That is what I was thinking of. My example was probable wrong. An AD might be more of say when Rem 700s were going off upon bolt closure. Muzzle still was downrange and in a safe direction but it was not a negligent act of the user it was a mechanical failure.

I could see that but if the bullet hits your kid it falls back into negligence because of muzzle control.

100% agreed. If any of the 4 rules are violated then it is negligence rather than AD.
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