Gun safety bills gain in Minnesota amid Democratic control

[jdege]

https://www.austindailyherald.com/2023/02/gun-safety-bills-gain-in-minnesota-amid-democratic-control/
Gun safety bills gain in Minnesota amid Democratic control

ST. PAUL — Gun safety bills are advancing at the Minnesota Legislature, backed by Democrats who are hoping their new control of both chambers will help them pass proposals that Republicans were able to block in recent years. The two main bills would expand background check requirements for firearm sales and other transfers, and allow authorities to temporarily confiscate guns from people in crisis under what are commonly known as red flag laws or extreme risk protection orders. They’re moving ahead as the national debate over preventing gun violence becomes increasingly polarized. The former Minnesota Senate GOP majority prevented much discussion of the proposals in their body over the last several years. But Democrats gained a one-seat Senate majority in the November elections to win the trifecta — control of both chambers and the governor’s office — for the first time in eight years. That’s given gun safety advocates hope while putting Second Amendment activists on the defensive.

[Holland&Holland]

Time to move to SD?

[Lumpy]

Is it time to go the scofflaw/ civil disobedience route and say "bugger your g-d law", and face the consequences?

[Bearcatrp]

They keep doing this stupid crap and pushing that fine line before folks start taking measures in there own hands. Just a matter of time.

[Holland&Holland]

Is it time to go the scofflaw/ civil disobedience route and say "bugger your g-d law", and face the consequences?

How do you do that? If a red flag call comes in and the show up and you disobey I am guessing it ends in a bit more than civil disobedience…

[Lumpy]

Is it time to go the scofflaw/ civil disobedience route and say "bugger your g-d law", and face the consequences?

How do you do that? If a red flag call comes in and the show up and you disobey I am guessing it ends in a bit more than civil disobedience…

If you're ordered to turn in your guns and you reply "What guns? I don't have any guns; I recently sold them all in a private sale", and a warranted search of your property doesn't find where you hid them any guns, what then? Can the court insist that you must turn in the guns they can prove you owned at one time and hold you in contempt if you don't? IOW legally speaking, is it up to the court to confiscate them or up to you to turn them in?

[Rip Van Winkle]

Is it time to go the scofflaw/ civil disobedience route and say "bugger your g-d law", and face the consequences?

How do you do that? If a red flag call comes in and the show up and you disobey I am guessing it ends in a bit more than civil disobedience…

If you're ordered to turn in your guns and you reply "What guns? I don't have any guns; I recently sold them all in a private sale", and a warranted search of your property doesn't find where you hid them any guns, what then? Can the court insist that you must turn in the guns they can prove you owned at one time and hold you in contempt if you don't? IOW legally speaking, is it up to the court to confiscate them or up to you to turn them in?

If HF 14 & HF 601 also become law, you'd better have your sales receipts, FFL receipts and/or police reports on hand or you'll be in legal jeopardy.

[Bearcatrp]

If I sell my guns before the law goes into effect, I won't need any receipts! They can't back date the law.

[westhope]

How does the court prove that a transfer occurred if neither the transferor nor the transferee will testify the transfer occurred after the date the law becomes effective. Neither can be forced to testify if they plea the fifth amendment. So one would get a plea deal of immunity to testify against the other?

[rtk]

How does the court prove that a transfer occurred if neither the transferor nor the transferee will testify the transfer occurred after the date the law becomes effective. Neither can be forced to testify if they plea the fifth amendment. So one would get a plea deal of immunity to testify against the other?

[Holland&Holland]

If I sell my guns before the law goes into effect, I won't need any receipts! They can't back date the law.

Sure they can.

[xd ED]

If I sell my guns before the law goes into effect, I won't need any receipts! They can't back date the law.

Sure they can.

I's the gov't prerogative to change its mind.

[Bearcatrp]

If I sell my guns before the law goes into effect, I won't need any receipts! They can't back date the law.

Sure they can.

Show me a law that was back dated. Not going to happen. The date the law is passed is the day the law takes effect. PERIOD!

[Holland&Holland]

If I sell my guns before the law goes into effect, I won't need any receipts! They can't back date the law.

Sure they can.

Show me a law that was back dated. Not going to happen. The date the law is passed is the day the law takes effect. PERIOD!

Sure, that is current precedent, you trust that they won’t? You trust the liberals much more than I do I guess.

[Jackpine Savage]

If I sell my guns before the law goes into effect, I won't need any receipts! They can't back date the law.

Sure they can.

Show me a law that was back dated. Not going to happen. The date the law is passed is the day the law takes effect. PERIOD!

Lautenberg Amendment