Biden drops out, endorses Harris.

[Holland&Holland]

So once again no answer? Who can win who is not a gun graber by your opinion?

I answered that question a while back. Nikki Haley. Trump just needs to drop out and endorse her.

Why can't you answer my questions? They are right there in the post you quoted. Do you think is Obama anti-gun or not? Can you explain why?

I didn’t realize Obama had the nomination for 2024.

[Ranb]

I didn’t realize Obama had the nomination for 2024.

You know he doesn't. I was asking you how you determine if a politician is anti-gun. Do you really think Barrack Obama was pro-gun since he did not get any anti-gun legislation signed?

Your evasion on this forum is annoying. Can't you grow a pair and provide some answers?

[Lumpy]

No one was willing to die on that hill? By that you mean not a single GOP politician was going to go to bat for the half a million law abiding Americans who had their property ordered to be destroyed or confiscated without compensation?

Yes, it's frustrating what lackluster supporters of gun rights the Republicans have been. But to reiterate the points I've already made:

• Gun rights are an orphan issue because no one in government believes in empowering the people; libertarian issues always are
• But other than not opposing gun control laws to avoid potentially losing to their opponents, the Republicans at least aren't on a crusade to eliminate guns like the Democrats.
• Sadly, gun owners do not seem to have very much influence within the Republican party-- they don't have the pull to make/break candidates;
• The proper place to address this is in Republican caucuses and primaries; by the general election it's too late.

[Lumpy]

Regarding "orphan issues": I'm reminded of how for nearly a lifetime people who wanted laws against marijuana relaxed failed for decade after decade to get the Democrats— supposedly the party of liberalization and progressivism— to take up the cause. And it was for much the same reason: no Democrat wanted to go on record as "advocating drug use". Similarly, even Republicans who privately endorse gun rights soft-pedal the issue in public because they don't want to lose votes to those who would accuse them of exacerbating gun crime and violence.

If there's one thing that corrupts even more than power, it's the desperate scramble to obtain and keep power. The Republican Party doesn't believe in much other than winning. Example: once the Supreme Court struck down Roe v. Wade and sent the issue of abortion back to the states, the 'Pubs suddenly became acutely aware of supporting bans on abortion as costing them votes, and have not campaigned on the issue outside of their base states where it was a foregone conclusion already.

[Ranb]

Yes, it's frustrating what lackluster supporters of gun rights the Republicans have been. But to reiterate the points I've already made:

• Gun rights are an orphan issue because no one in government believes in empowering the people; libertarian issues always are
• But other than not opposing gun control laws to avoid potentially losing to their opponents, the Republicans at least aren't on a crusade to eliminate guns like the Democrats.
• Sadly, gun owners do not seem to have very much influence within the Republican party-- they don't have the pull to make/break candidates;
• The proper place to address this is in Republican caucuses and primaries; by the general election it's too late.

A gun grab and a plan for mass gun confiscation without due process is the start of that crusade. That gun forum members are so willing to give Trump another chance to further his campaign against us is just sick.

We had a chance during the 2020 primaries, but the people here said "The leopard won't eat our face, again". Well they were wrong. Trump has done nothing to step back from his gun grabby ways. He could have ordered the ATF to further amend the CFR prior to leaving office to make bump stocks legal again, but then his legacy would not be the gun grab he wanted.

Why are you just content to say "Sadly", instead of taking an actual stand. What did your GOP representatives say when you wrote to them about opposing Trump's nomination in 2020 and 2024? Did anyone here make an effort?

[Ranb]

....Similarly, even Republicans who privately endorse gun rights soft-pedal the issue in public because they don't want to lose votes to those who would accuse them of exacerbating gun crime and violence.

I got sick of hearing that BS from gun owners in Washington state back when I was working with a group of people to push the silencer use bill through Olympia. The gun owners pushed back more than the gun control groups. I got more respect from the Democrat legislators than some of my fellow gun owners.

The irony was very f*cked up. Even the NRA refused to help. If it were not for the blue dog Democrats coaxing the Republicans to get on board, silencer use would still be illegal in Washington.

[Holland&Holland]

I didn’t realize Obama had the nomination for 2024.

You know he doesn't. I was asking you how you determine if a politician is anti-gun. Do you really think Barrack Obama was pro-gun since he did not get any anti-gun legislation signed?

Your evasion on this forum is annoying. Can't you grow a pair and provide some answers?

Personal attacks are usually frowned on and show poor character.

Not sure what you are asking. But NO, Obama was not pro-gun, you seemed to imply he was. I was reacting to that.

[Erud]

What did your GOP representatives say when you wrote to them about opposing Trump's nomination in 2020 and 2024? Did anyone here make an effort?

In this instance, who would his GOP representatives be? The delegates at the convention who were elected by their peers starting all of the way down at the precinct caucus level? What would they possibly say if contacted about this topic? I'd imagine something like; "Yeah, I remember you wanted Nikki Haley back at the precinct caucus in February, but maybe you remember that 65% of the people who showed up to vote supported Donald Trump as the nominee. Including me, which is probably why they voted for me to be a delegate. Now I've worked my way all of the way up to the RNC. I appreciate your input, but l am going to support the guy they sent me here to support. Maybe try again in 2028 to get your choice on the ballot."

How else do you see this exchange playing out? The process worked the way it is supposed to work. Whether you or I got what we wanted out of it is irrelevant.

[Ranb]

Personal attacks are usually frowned on and show poor character.

Not sure what you are asking. But NO, Obama was not pro-gun, you seemed to imply he was. I was reacting to that.

I have been insulted on the forum; people have suggested I'm a troll, but I'm not whining about it.

I made it clear that Obama was anti-gun. But some people here tell me that Trump is actually pro-gun because he only had that one gun grab that was reversed by the Supreme Court and his other ideas for depriving us of our civil rights have not been successful. Do you think Trump is pro-gun because he only had one gun grab?

I claimed up above;

It is obvious to the most casual observer, that Obama was anti-gun. He wanted his own AWB, but Congress did not pass it and he never got to sign it. Obama's 23 executive actions did not cost anyone their guns. Does this mean in your eyes that Obama was not anti-gun?

I clearly stated that Obama was anti-gun. I said it was obvious to anyone. How was it not obvious to you? Surely you can provide some sort of explanation for your behavior?

[Ranb]

In this instance, who would his GOP representatives be? The delegates at the convention who were elected by their peers starting all of the way down at the precinct caucus level? What would they possibly say if contacted about this topic? I'd imagine something like; "Yeah, I remember you wanted Nikki Haley back at the precinct caucus in February, but maybe you remember that 65% of the people who showed up to vote supported Donald Trump as the nominee. Including me, which is probably why they voted for me to be a delegate. Now I've worked my way all of the way up to the RNC. I appreciate your input, but l am going to support the guy they sent me here to support. Maybe try again in 2028 to get your choice on the ballot."

How else do you see this exchange playing out? The process worked the way it is supposed to work. Whether you or I got what we wanted out of it is irrelevant.

If I knew where he lived, then I would know who his representatives are. https://www.gis.lcc.mn.gov/iMaps/districts/

It is never to late to start trying. We knew Trump was very bad news for gun owners as far back as 2018. In time for the 2020 election. I'm just wondering if anyone did anything other than complain on an obscure internet forum or actually got into their representative's faces. Face time actually works.

[Erud]

In this instance, who would his GOP representatives be? The delegates at the convention who were elected by their peers starting all of the way down at the precinct caucus level? What would they possibly say if contacted about this topic? I'd imagine something like; "Yeah, I remember you wanted Nikki Haley back at the precinct caucus in February, but maybe you remember that 65% of the people who showed up to vote supported Donald Trump as the nominee. Including me, which is probably why they voted for me to be a delegate. Now I've worked my way all of the way up to the RNC. I appreciate your input, but l am going to support the guy they sent me here to support. Maybe try again in 2028 to get your choice on the ballot."

How else do you see this exchange playing out? The process worked the way it is supposed to work. Whether you or I got what we wanted out of it is irrelevant.

If I knew where he lived, then I would know who his representatives are. https://www.gis.lcc.mn.gov/iMaps/districts/

It is never too late to start trying. We knew Trump was very bad news for gun owners as far back as 2018. In time for the 2020 election. I'm just wondering if anyone did anything other than complain on an obscure internet forum or actually got into their representative's faces. Face time actually works.

Are the representatives you are referring to the convention delegates, or who?

*Edit: I just looked at your link, and see that it takes me to my elected local, state and federal representatives. I’m not sure I understand why someone would lobby them to oppose a presidential nominee, they don’t have any say on that unless they are elected as a delegate. The process for them to become a delegate is the exact same as it would be for you or I. My state representative of the last 20 years lives a half mile from me in the same voting precinct, and attends the same precinct caucus as I do. We vote for delegates in election years, and those delegates move up the line and get filtered down by more voting to smaller numbers at each higher level of convention. The ones who make it to the RNC in a presidential election year are the people who vote on who will be the Republican Party candidate. That seems like a pretty fair process to me, even though the people that I want to win never do. How do you want this to work?

[Holland&Holland]

Personal attacks are usually frowned on and show poor character.

Not sure what you are asking. But NO, Obama was not pro-gun, you seemed to imply he was. I was reacting to that.

I have been insulted on the forum; people have suggested I'm a troll, but I'm not whining about it.

I made it clear that Obama was anti-gun. But some people here tell me that Trump is actually pro-gun because he only had that one gun grab that was reversed by the Supreme Court and his other ideas for depriving us of our civil rights have not been successful. Do you think Trump is pro-gun because he only had one gun grab?

I claimed up above;

It is obvious to the most casual observer, that Obama was anti-gun. He wanted his own AWB, but Congress did not pass it and he never got to sign it. Obama's 23 executive actions did not cost anyone their guns. Does this mean in your eyes that Obama was not anti-gun?

I clearly stated that Obama was anti-gun. I said it was obvious to anyone. How was it not obvious to you? Surely you can provide some sort of explanation for your behavior?

Your character shows through.

[Holland&Holland]

In this instance, who would his GOP representatives be? The delegates at the convention who were elected by their peers starting all of the way down at the precinct caucus level? What would they possibly say if contacted about this topic? I'd imagine something like; "Yeah, I remember you wanted Nikki Haley back at the precinct caucus in February, but maybe you remember that 65% of the people who showed up to vote supported Donald Trump as the nominee. Including me, which is probably why they voted for me to be a delegate. Now I've worked my way all of the way up to the RNC. I appreciate your input, but l am going to support the guy they sent me here to support. Maybe try again in 2028 to get your choice on the ballot."

How else do you see this exchange playing out? The process worked the way it is supposed to work. Whether you or I got what we wanted out of it is irrelevant.

If I knew where he lived, then I would know who his representatives are. https://www.gis.lcc.mn.gov/iMaps/districts/

It is never too late to start trying. We knew Trump was very bad news for gun owners as far back as 2018. In time for the 2020 election. I'm just wondering if anyone did anything other than complain on an obscure internet forum or actually got into their representative's faces. Face time actually works.

Why haven’t you?

[xd ED]

In this instance, who would his GOP representatives be? The delegates at the convention who were elected by their peers starting all of the way down at the precinct caucus level? What would they possibly say if contacted about this topic? I'd imagine something like; "Yeah, I remember you wanted Nikki Haley back at the precinct caucus in February, but maybe you remember that 65% of the people who showed up to vote supported Donald Trump as the nominee. Including me, which is probably why they voted for me to be a delegate. Now I've worked my way all of the way up to the RNC. I appreciate your input, but l am going to support the guy they sent me here to support. Maybe try again in 2028 to get your choice on the ballot."

How else do you see this exchange playing out? The process worked the way it is supposed to work. Whether you or I got what we wanted out of it is irrelevant.

If I knew where he lived, then I would know who his representatives are. https://www.gis.lcc.mn.gov/iMaps/districts/

It is never to late to start trying. We knew Trump was very bad news for gun owners as far back as 2018. In time for the 2020 election. I'm just wondering if anyone did anything other than complain on an obscure internet forum or actually got into their representative's faces. Face time actually works.

That's not even up to 3rd rate trolling.
Are you completely ignorant of the processes of which you write?

A 3rd rate troll would know that the odds for most Minnesota residents to have an elected representative become a delegate to the GOP Convention are slim to none.
For myself, and I suspect poster 'Lumpy';...to whom you made the suggestion...they are zero.

[Ranb]

How do you want this to work?

Elected representatives have influence in their party. They are a good place to start.