MN Governor's Pheasant Hunting Opener - Not The Bee

[Ranb]

Your mind has a strange way of making it so that everything is about Donald Trump.

I do more than post about Trump here. Why do you care?

Right? What a weird thing for him to say.

Not anymore. It is no longer weird to see gun owners supporting the gun grabber, provided it is Trump. It is tragic though. My pro-gun stance has gotten me banned from two gun forums in the past. But I can still look myself in the mirror each day knowing that I'm not siding with the scum that will undermine my civil rights any chance he gets.

The search function on the forum is easy to use. So should I just assume that anyone who suggests that I make everything about Trump is a liar? Or perhaps they are just stupid? While most of my recent posts are about Trump and his anti-gun agenda, I do have a recent post in the long guns section that has 800 views. viewtopic.php?f=8&t=66439 The vast majority of my posts, pre-Trump, were about general firearms topics and easing controls on silencers.

But yeah, I'm all about Trump?

[Erud]

Not anymore. It is no longer weird to see gun owners supporting the gun grabber, provided it is Trump. It is tragic though. My pro-gun stance has gotten me banned from two gun forums in the past. But I can still look myself in the mirror each day knowing that I'm not siding with the scum that will undermine my civil rights any chance he gets.

The search function on the forum is easy to use. So should I just assume that anyone who suggests that I make everything about Trump is a liar? Or perhaps they are just stupid? While most of my recent posts are about Trump and his anti-gun agenda, I do have a recent post in the long guns section that has 800 views. viewtopic.php?f=8&t=66439 The vast majority of my posts, pre-Trump, were about general firearms topics and easing controls on silencers.

But yeah, I'm all about Trump?

If you wanted, I suppose you could assume that we are all both stupid AND liars.

Look man, I kind of doubt that your pro-gun stance is what got you banned from other gun forums. More likely, I’d guess it’s your gift for bludgeoning your fellow gun owners and 2A supporters if they do not pass your ultimate purity test. You are so locked onto this one thing, that you are completely unaware of the impression you make on people. Or you don’t care, which is what I assume would be your claim. Either way, it renders you ineffective and annoying. You’ve turned yourself into a pretty unlikeable online character, which is unfortunate because you are on a forum with people who generally agree with you. I have a friend with Asperger’s who has some of those same tendencies. He’s a super nice guy, but can be completely clueless in social interactions. I occasionally have to say to him; “dude, you’re doing that thing again.”

Best of luck in your future endeavors.

[hard h2o]

And yet we have the same level of evidence from you…

Evidence of what? I have no evidence at all that Trump has ever handled a firearm of any kind.

He has no reason to cater to people who respect the 2A.

Harris and Walz do.

They try to show or say they are not gun grabbers. They fail to convince anyone that they are on the side of gun owners. Through their actions and words they show their true colors.

[Lumpy]

I think the secret to Trump's success is that so many people want to be the sexist, racist, rapist, gun grabber that he is and be proud of it.

Are you admitting that you hate Trump anyway, and "gun grabber" is just the excuse you thought would gain traction here?

Or is it that you are unable to grasp a simple principle: that it makes no sense that if you hate a corrupt cop who writes fraudulent speeding tickets, you would rather see him replaced by a cop who is secretly an assassin for the Mafia?

[crbutler]

More precisely, folks are more certain that the democrats want more restrictions on gun rights than Trump does.

Trump will jump on the anti gun bandwagon whenever it suits him from a populist standpoint. His pushing the bump stock ban was a matter of populism given everyone was mad about that jackwad who shot people in Vegas. Note that we still hear crickets about what the investigation showed about that one.

I agree that Trump is not pro gun. At best we can hope he’s not actively anti 2A and hiding his position (and frankly, with his past history of political pandering, I think he would be saying it if he was anti gun).

You are probably correct that he would direct anti gun policies on a whim and there would be less opposition due to the fact he is a Republican. Some GOP types would “ride for the brand” instead of honoring their constituents desires. The democrats certainly aren’t going to stop a GOP gun control bill.

That means you are saying vote against one of only two real options, one of which openly is against you.

You have not been making the case for voting 3rd party; you are making the case of vote against Trump and the republicans.

Most see that as supporting Harris.

You are not saying a pox on both, vote Bill the Cat, you are saying vote against Trump without also saying vote against Harris- de facto supporting Harris.

I can understand your point, but you are not articulating it in a manner that makes it clear that you are against both of the bad options. You are saying Trump is worse than Harris by omission.

It’s high school logic.

I do more than post about Trump here. Why do you care?

But yeah, I'm all about Trump?[/quote]

BTW this is kind of screwed up quotes due to the idiotic rules for quoting requiring me to edit on a phone screen.

[Ranb]

Are you admitting that you hate Trump anyway, and "gun grabber" is just the excuse you thought would gain traction here?

Or is it that you are unable to grasp a simple principle: that it makes no sense that if you hate a corrupt cop who writes fraudulent speeding tickets, you would rather see him replaced by a cop who is secretly an assassin for the Mafia?

I have a long list if reasons why Trump is unacceptable as a president. I have listed them in other posts.

I think your cop analogy is nonsense.

[Ranb]

I agree that Trump is not pro gun. At best we can hope he’s not actively anti 2A and hiding his position (and frankly, with his past history of political pandering, I think he would be saying it if he was anti gun).

Trump is actively anti-gun. How else do you explain his gun grab and his desire to confiscate firearms without due process?

You are probably correct that he would direct anti gun policies on a whim and there would be less opposition due to the fact he is a Republican. Some GOP types would “ride for the brand” instead of honoring their constituents desires. The democrats certainly aren’t going to stop a GOP gun control bill.

Why don't you oppose Trump's anti-gun agenda?

That means you are saying vote against one of only two real options, one of which openly is against you.

I support neither option. Trump and Harris are both openly against the RKBA. Who are you suggesting is against us? Both Trump and Harris are openly against gun owners, so your comment really makes no sense at all.

You have not been making the case for voting 3rd party; you are making the case of vote against Trump and the republicans.

Most see that as supporting Harris.

I am making the case to not vote for Trump. Get used to it. I will not sacrifice my integrity for any politician

You are not saying a pox on both, vote Bill the Cat, you are saying vote against Trump without also saying vote against Harris- de facto supporting Harris.

I have never said anything to support Harris on this forum except that she might not use the authority of the executive to accomplish a gun grab like others have. When you start telling me that Harris is the one who will protect our 2nd Amendment rights, then you're going to see much more opposition from me. But right now, this forum is firming on Trump's side no matter what he plans to do to us. That is why I am all over Trump here.

[Ranb]

If you wanted, I suppose you could assume that we are all both stupid AND liars.

Not at all. But do you really think the people who claim to be unaware of how Trump accomplished his gun grab and are not aware that Trump wants to confiscate guns without due process are being honest, or intelligent?

Look man, I kind of doubt that your pro-gun stance is what got you banned from other gun forums. More likely, I’d guess it’s your gift for bludgeoning your fellow gun owners and 2A supporters if they do not pass your ultimate purity test.

I assure you it was for that reason. It was for my pro-gun stance. My stance being that Trump is a gun grabber and he does not have my vote. On WAGuns.org I was told by a forum moderator that I was not allowed to criticize Trump in any way prior to the election. After the election, I resumed my criticism of Trump and was banned. On The Firearms Forum, over ten years ago, I was banned for my outspoken defense of American civilians making and owning silencers. They said I was wrong to object to their claims that silencers were illegal in the USA.

You’ve turned yourself into a pretty unlikeable online character, which is unfortunate because you are on a forum with people who generally agree with you.

They agree with me? Calling me a liar or autistic is not agreeing with me. I say Trump is a gun grabber, but I'm told that he is not. I say that Trump wants more gun control, but I'm told that he doesn't. How is this agreeing with me?

I have a friend with Asperger’s who has some of those same tendencies. He’s a super nice guy, but can be completely clueless in social interactions. I occasionally have to say to him; “dude, you’re doing that thing again.”

I can say the same thing about you. You're doing that thing again where you say Trump has your vote even though he is a gun grabber and is not done grabbing our guns.

[Ranb]

He has no reason to cater to people who respect the 2A.

You're saying Trump has no reason to cator to people who respect the 2A? Of course not. Trump is a proud gun grabber and wants to make it easier to lose any gun we own. He had made that very clear, in a video, on C-Span. The GOP has abandoned American gun owners; they mention the RKBA in their preamble, but that is it. The 2A is just a punchline to the GOP now. Their candidate for president is more concerned with making sure we don't have the types of guns he does not like and taking away our due process, than he is with easing any restrictions.

Harris and Walz do.

They try to show or say they are not gun grabbers. They fail to convince anyone that they are on the side of gun owners. Through their actions and words they show their true colors.

Of course they do. They just want "common sense legislation" which happens to be an AWB and other crap. They think gun owners are that stupid. Just like Trump does.

[Markemp]

The first thing a dictator does when he grabs power is to ban guns.

Trump said he would be a dictator on day one. And use the military to "take care" of his enemies.

It's really not that hard to see where our gun rights will go under Trump. Voting for Harris will do more to protect your gun rights (and every other one) by far. If you can't stomach that, not voting for Trump is an acceptable alternative. Knock yourself out voting R down ballot though.

[Lumpy]

If Jan 6 2021 is any indication, Trump will have neither the power nor the cajones to impose a dictatorship. Far from attempting to lead a coup, in the last weeks while he still held executive power Trump basically hoped he'd be rescued from losing the election, by a groundswell that just wasn't there.

Trump is actively anti-gun. How else do you explain his gun grab and his desire to confiscate firearms without due process?

Simple:

Trump will jump on the anti gun bandwagon whenever it suits him from a populist standpoint. His pushing the bump stock ban was a matter of populism given everyone was mad about that jackwad who shot people in Vegas. Note that we still hear crickets about what the investigation showed about that one.

In other words, Trump doesn't even have enough principles to actually be anti-gun; he'll just say or do whatever he thinks people want to hear.

I would have to be a lot more convinced of Trump's competency even to carry out evil before I'd conclude he was a greater threat to gun rights than Harris.

[hard h2o]

Harris and Walz do.

They try to show or say they are not gun grabbers. They fail to convince anyone that they are on the side of gun owners. Through their actions and words they show their true colors.

Of course they do. They just want "common sense legislation" which happens to be an AWB and other crap. They think gun owners are that stupid. Just like Trump does.

You think an AWB is "common sense"?

First break down AWB and tell me what the first letter stands for and how to define it. I am sure Walz and Harris would not be able to define it.

I do not want the legislation of my rights placed in the hands of people who do not even understand the basics of what they are legislating.

Someone who claims to be a hunter and can't even load a firearm they claim to own and know hoe to use. What is the difference between an AR, the semi-auto shotgun Walz is fumbling with, and any other semi-auto firearm? I can assure you most Dems could not tell you. They are not about "common sense legislation". They want to ban all guns.

[crbutler]

The first thing a dictator does when he grabs power is to ban guns.

Trump said he would be a dictator on day one. And use the military to "take care" of his enemies.

It's really not that hard to see where our gun rights will go under Trump. Voting for Harris will do more to protect your gun rights (and every other one) by far. If you can't stomach that, not voting for Trump is an acceptable alternative. Knock yourself out voting R down ballot though.

Gotta save this one.

When the leftists trot out their next gun ban, we officially can call them dictators per Mark.

[Ranb]

In other words, Trump doesn't even have enough principles to actually be anti-gun; he'll just say or do whatever he thinks people want to hear.

I would have to be a lot more convinced of Trump's competency even to carry out evil before I'd conclude he was a greater threat to gun rights than Harris.

It sounds as if you excusing Trump's actions (gun grab) and words (wants confiscation without due process) as those of a person who is not anti-gun? If gun grabs do not make a person anti-gun, then what does?

[Ranb]

You think an AWB is "common sense"?

First break down AWB and tell me what the first letter stands for and how to define it. I am sure Walz and Harris would not be able to define it.

I do not want the legislation of my rights placed in the hands of people who do not even understand the basics of what they are legislating.

Someone who claims to be a hunter and can't even load a firearm they claim to own and know hoe to use. What is the difference between an AR, the semi-auto shotgun Walz is fumbling with, and any other semi-auto firearm? I can assure you most Dems could not tell you. They are not about "common sense legislation". They want to ban all guns.

I do not think an AWB is common sense. I was repeating the words of those that do think that way. I agree with the rest of your post.