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A couple in St. Louis defend their home with a firearm after protesters enter their neighborhood.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1277415316352573440

photogpat wrote:Deplorable safety practices aside - confronting the otherwise peaceful protest streaming past their house was probably the worst tactical action to take.

If you’re worried, sit outside visibly and quietly...but don’t be pointing firearms at otherwise peaceful people or yelling at them. I don’t believe Missouri law allows lethal force to be deployed against trespassers...

atomic41 wrote:

photogpat wrote:Deplorable safety practices aside - confronting the otherwise peaceful protest streaming past their house was probably the worst tactical action to take.

If you’re worried, sit outside visibly and quietly...but don’t be pointing firearms at otherwise peaceful people or yelling at them. I don’t believe Missouri law allows lethal force to be deployed against trespassers...

Yes, MO has a Castle Doctrine where homeowners have no duty to retreat and can defend their home against threats. Also, the mob has videos of breaking through their gates and attempting to storm the house, the homeowners began with very clear verbal warnings before coming out with guns.

I'm going to have to side with the homeowners after seeing the other videos of the mob, they were not just passing by.

photogpat wrote:

atomic41 wrote:

photogpat wrote:Deplorable safety practices aside - confronting the otherwise peaceful protest streaming past their house was probably the worst tactical action to take.

If you’re worried, sit outside visibly and quietly...but don’t be pointing firearms at otherwise peaceful people or yelling at them. I don’t believe Missouri law allows lethal force to be deployed against trespassers...

Yes, MO has a Castle Doctrine where homeowners have no duty to retreat and can defend their home against threats. Also, the mob has videos of breaking through their gates and attempting to storm the house, the homeowners began with very clear verbal warnings before coming out with guns.

I'm going to have to side with the homeowners after seeing the other videos of the mob, they were not just passing by.

I didn’t stutter, I said “I don’t believe Missouri law allows lethal force to be deployed against trespassers...”

The protest was enroute to the MO Governor’s residence in the same gated community. So again, not sure you can shoot trespassers absent a reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm...plus, these two bozos weren’t even “inside” their castle

atomic41 wrote:

photogpat wrote:

atomic41 wrote:
Yes, MO has a Castle Doctrine where homeowners have no duty to retreat and can defend their home against threats. Also, the mob has videos of breaking through their gates and attempting to storm the house, the homeowners began with very clear verbal warnings before coming out with guns.

I'm going to have to side with the homeowners after seeing the other videos of the mob, they were not just passing by.

I didn’t stutter, I said “I don’t believe Missouri law allows lethal force to be deployed against trespassers...”

The protest was enroute to the MO Governor’s residence in the same gated community. So again, not sure you can shoot trespassers absent a reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm...plus, these two bozos weren’t even “inside” their castle

Well if they were walking to the Governor's residence, they will be walking for a few more days as the Governor doesn't live in St Louis.

As I stated before, there is no duty to retreat and there is a strong chance that had they pulled the trigger they would not be charged. This article from STL Today even references how they would have been justified to shoot the mob, and reports that police are currently working on charges for the mob. MO takes a solid stand on their version of Castle Doctrine.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... -top-story

If you would like more info, a quick google search will yield cases of homeowners shooting trespassers and not getting charged. The law in MO has been tested and precedent has been set...the cases are out there. It appears that the mob stood down after seeing guns come out and that is good because pulling the trigger should be an absolute last resort.

In summary, they did not pull the trigger but if they did there is a strong chance they would not face charges since it was in MO.

photogpat wrote:Lethal force, for simple trespass, is NOT legal in MO...nor in MN either.

All the cases I found were for people trespassing, and then breaking and entering, etc....which is different from what I laid out.

The penalty for trespass isn’t death, and though these folks were made extremely nervous, had they opened fire on a crowd...standing at a distance...I doubt they’d have not been charged.

You’re missing my point though...these buffoons CONTRIBUTED to the confrontation. Good lord, lay low, smile and wave...and keep the trunk monkey handy. Why would you call attention to the fact that you’re a doofus by yelling at a mob and drawing attention to yourself?

Allred: Were the protesters on your private property at any point?

McCloskey: Everything inside the Portland Place gate is private property. There is nothing public in Portland Place. Being inside that gate is like being in my living room. There is no public anything in Portland Place. It is all private property.

And you've got to appreciate that if there are two or three hundred people, I don't know how many there were. We were told that 500 people showed up at the Lyda Krewson house, which is not on our street, as you know. But how many of them came through Portland Place? I don't know. But it was a big crowd and they were aggressive, wearing body armor and screaming at us and threatening to harm us. And how they were going to be living in our house after they kill us.