Evolving, apparenly officer involved shooting

[Nat]

A permit holder ostensibly attempting to comply with an officer is shot dead and all you can do is worry about the reaction because he's black? Shouldn't WE be way out ahead of black lives matters in terms of outrage on this?

[goett047]

a warning stop where a permit holder was shot dead

Your point being...?

my point being that every stop no matter the reason has the potential of being a lethal encounter. Maybe we should reevaluate what constitutes a legal stop.

[goett047]

A permit holder ostensibly attempting to comply with an officer is shot dead and all you can do is worry about the reaction because he's black? Shouldn't WE be way out ahead of black lives matters in terms of outrage on this?

THIS!

[xd ED]

A permit holder ostensibly attempting to comply with an officer is shot dead and all you can do is worry about the reaction because he's black? Shouldn't WE be way out ahead of black lives matters in terms of outrage on this?

THIS!

I made one remark as to the racial component, because that was almost the entirety of the content of the comments/ threats on Facebook.
Do you doubt that this will become an lightning rod for the antis, regardless of the facts of the event?
Now as far as US getting outraged- tell me what happened(and how you know that), so we know the facts about that which we should be outraged.

I won't suggest it has any bearing on the primary incident, but do you not find it odd that a person's loved one gets shot sitting next to them and her infant child, and the first response is to immediately start live streaming a video to the internet? I am terribly perplexed by that behavior.

[xd ED]

a warning stop where a permit holder was shot dead

Your point being...?

my point being that every stop no matter the reason has the potential of being a lethal encounter. Maybe we should reevaluate what constitutes a legal stop.

Or, do what we can to minimize the probability of being stopped.

[Nat]

I made one remark as to the racial component, because that was almost the entirety of the content of the comments/ threats on Facebook.
Do you doubt that this will become an lightning rod for the antis, regardless of the facts of the event?
Now as far as US getting outraged- tell me what happened(and how you know that), so we know the facts about that which we should be outraged.

I won't suggest it has any bearing on the primary incident, but do you not find it odd that a person's loved one gets shot sitting next to them and her infant child, and the first response is to immediately start live streaming a video to the internet? I am terribly perplexed by that behavior.

Or, do what we can to minimize the probability of being stopped.

What we know, right now is that a man with no history of violence or substance abuse (he passed the same background check we did), abiding by the same laws we do, was shot by a police officer. We know that the press typically questions the motivations of permit holders, and we know that they are overwhelmingly presenting the case FOR this particular permit holder. We know black people are more likely to be put in to an interaction with the police, and we know if the the rights of a black permit holder aren't immutable, then no one's are.

We know policing is a difficult job, and we know they deserve a chance to answer for this, and we know we respect due process and rule of law - but we also know we need to establish a burden of evidence that the police need to prove beyond reasonable doubt, the need to shoot a licensed permit holder.

Myself - I'll wait for a response, the video showed nothing before the shooting, I have no reason to believe this was malicious - but it sure as hell looks negligent, and I expect the flood of press impeaching the character of the permit holder to hit the fan here in the next day or two... but I have always, and I will continue to grant the benefit of the doubt to the permit holder - and I see little motivation for the police to investigate this impartially

[LePetomane]

That is another reason not to volunteer any info. Answer the questions. Period. Maybe this guy would be better off if he hadn't informed the officers he was armed.

And his idiot girlfriend more worried about providing narrative instead of calling for help on her cell phone?

[ttousi]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/07/07/mi ... tcmp=hpbt3

from the article

The officer tells her to keep her hands up and says, "I told him not to reach for it. I told him to get his hand out."

"You shot four bullets into him, sir. He was just getting his license and registration, sir," the woman responds.

one small item.......we all know MN doesn't require carrying auto registration. So is she misquoted / from out of state / ?..... MN Officers don't ask for registration.

What else is being reported that may not be "correct" I'll wait for more facts

[atomic41]

A permit holder ostensibly attempting to comply with an officer is shot dead and all you can do is worry about the reaction because he's black? Shouldn't WE be way out ahead of black lives matters in terms of outrage on this?

So we should race to be outraged...that's a fantastic idea...what could possibly go wrong?

[Nat]

So we should race to be outraged...that's a fantastic idea...what could possibly go wrong?

We should be concerned, and we should voice our concern. Outrage (my poorly stated early response) is an emotional reaction and produces little in way of effect.

[andrewP]

So is she misquoted / from out of state / ?

IIRC one of the articles I read said she was from out of state, yes. Indiana, I think?

[MJY65]

Or, do what we can to minimize the probability of being stopped.

Good point. I've been driving in MN for 36 years and have never been pulled over for any reason. Not sure how some manage to make it a frequent encounter.

[goett047]

That is another reason not to volunteer any info. Answer the questions. Period. Maybe this guy would be better off if he hadn't informed the officers he was armed.

And his idiot girlfriend more worried about providing narrative instead of calling for help on her cell phone?

Whos she going to call?? The police?!

[atomic41]

I'm not going to declare this a good or bad shoot because I was not there. But there are some things that need to be pointed out.

-IF this guy was a permit holder, he should have been taught that if you declare that you are carrying you should then ask the officer how to proceed and not reach for your gun. Do any of you know of a permit instructor that does not cover this? We don't know if he had a permit or not (girlfriend saying so on video means nothing), but if he did that was probably taught to him.

-The cop was not white...just throwing that out there early for the race pimps. In the video she called the cop "Chinese". So he was probably Hmong considering the location.

-We need body cameras!

[Sorcerer]

Was the permit holder from MN or Indy? Just checked usgunlaws.com and Indy is no on must inform. If what I'm seeing here, the permit holder made some really bad moves. I was once stopped for speeding and the only way to get to my wallet was by moving my cover shirt. I made choose to inform as the trooper was coming up on the right side of the car. " I am a permit holder, I am carrying at 4 o'clock how do you wish to proceed?" With both hands on the steering wheel. Still got the ticket.
Edit: just checked, MN does not honnor Indy permit.