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Re: How Guns Twist the Logic of Self-Defense Laws

PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:50 pm
by mc762x54R
Pure self defense. He will walk. This nonsense about his age and state lines is 1000000% irrelevant. The people he shot got what they deserved.

Re: How Guns Twist the Logic of Self-Defense Laws

PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:35 am
by Rip Van Winkle
My guess is he'll be found guilty or pled guilty to something.

Justice in America is determined by who's sitting on your jury.

Re: How Guns Twist the Logic of Self-Defense Laws

PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:39 am
by Holland&Holland
mc762x54R wrote:Pure self defense. He will walk. This nonsense about his age and state lines is 1000000% irrelevant. The people he shot got what they deserved.

Agree completely. However that is not how this is going to go down. "justice" is not just.

Re: How Guns Twist the Logic of Self-Defense Laws

PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:07 pm
by Lumpy
Most people would get damn nervous if someone walked around holding a pistol in their hand, open carry laws or not. I think that it would be, if nothing else, courtesy to carry a long gun in public in a scabbard- the long gun equivalent of a holster- unless you think you actually need to draw it.

Re: How Guns Twist the Logic of Self-Defense Laws

PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:11 am
by Holland&Holland
Lumpy wrote:Most people would get damn nervous if someone walked around holding a pistol in their hand, open carry laws or not. I think that it would be, if nothing else, courtesy to carry a long gun in public in a scabbard- the long gun equivalent of a holster- unless you think you actually need to draw it.

A long gun holster is called a sling

Re: How Guns Twist the Logic of Self-Defense Laws

PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:45 pm
by Lumpy
Holland&Holland wrote:
Lumpy wrote:Most people would get damn nervous if someone walked around holding a pistol in their hand, open carry laws or not. I think that it would be, if nothing else, courtesy to carry a long gun in public in a scabbard- the long gun equivalent of a holster- unless you think you actually need to draw it.

A long gun holster is called a sling


No, there's actually something called a scabbard; think of a soft case that's open at one end. Traditionally used with saddles but they usually can be slung.

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Re: How Guns Twist the Logic of Self-Defense Laws

PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:27 am
by Rip Van Winkle
Wouldn't carrying slung rifle be the same as carrying a pistol on a lanyard?

Re: How Guns Twist the Logic of Self-Defense Laws

PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:18 am
by Holland&Holland
Lumpy wrote:
Holland&Holland wrote:
Lumpy wrote:Most people would get damn nervous if someone walked around holding a pistol in their hand, open carry laws or not. I think that it would be, if nothing else, courtesy to carry a long gun in public in a scabbard- the long gun equivalent of a holster- unless you think you actually need to draw it.

A long gun holster is called a sling


No, there's actually something called a scabbard; think of a soft case that's open at one end. Traditionally used with saddles but they usually can be slung.

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Never said they did not exist.

Re: How Guns Twist the Logic of Self-Defense Laws

PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:21 am
by Holland&Holland
Rip Van Winkle wrote:Wouldn't carrying slung rifle be the same as carrying a pistol on a lanyard?

When is the last time you have seen a lanyard used as the exclusive carrying mechanism for a defense handgun? WW1?

Re: How Guns Twist the Logic of Self-Defense Laws

PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:34 am
by ttousi
Holland&Holland wrote:
Rip Van Winkle wrote:Wouldn't carrying slung rifle be the same as carrying a pistol on a lanyard?

When is the last time you have seen a lanyard used as the exclusive carrying mechanism for a defense handgun? WW1?



Check with Hammar that's about the time when he served :mrgreen:

Re: How Guns Twist the Logic of Self-Defense Laws

PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:47 am
by Rip Van Winkle
Holland&Holland wrote:
Rip Van Winkle wrote:Wouldn't carrying slung rifle be the same as carrying a pistol on a lanyard?

When is the last time you have seen a lanyard used as the exclusive carrying mechanism for a defense handgun? WW1?

About the same time I saw the guy carrying his rifle in a scabbard. :D

Re: How Guns Twist the Logic of Self-Defense Laws

PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:31 am
by Ironbear
Rip Van Winkle wrote:Wouldn't carrying slung rifle be the same as carrying a pistol on a lanyard?

If it was a single-point sling, I would think you had a point.

Re: How Guns Twist the Logic of Self-Defense Laws

PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:57 pm
by Holland&Holland
Rip Van Winkle wrote:
Holland&Holland wrote:
Rip Van Winkle wrote:Wouldn't carrying slung rifle be the same as carrying a pistol on a lanyard?

When is the last time you have seen a lanyard used as the exclusive carrying mechanism for a defense handgun? WW1?

About the same time I saw the guy carrying his rifle in a scabbard. :D

:rock:

How Guns Twist the Logic of Self-Defense Laws

PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:39 am
by LumberZach
It seems to me a lot of people were in the Minneapolis riots protecting businesses with AR-15’s in the same fashion Kyle was. Only difference was nobody attacked the people in Minneapolis so no one was shot and it didn’t make the news.


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Re: How Guns Twist the Logic of Self-Defense Laws

PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:11 am
by Mn01r6
LumberZach wrote:It seems to me a lot of people were in the Minneapolis riots protecting businesses with AR-15’s in the same fashion Kyle was. Only difference was nobody attacked the people in Minneapolis so no one was shot and it didn’t make the news.


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