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Re: Liberty safe

Postby Rotary12 on Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:02 am

samginko wrote:Outage is that Liberty released the information "without" court order.
I could be wrong, but there may not have been a court order issued.


From what I have seen, the warrant was for a search of the house and Liberty Safe Co. was not named on the warrant. I'm not a lawyer, but to me it seems that the judge would have to issue a warrant to Liberty to get the combination from them.
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Re: Liberty safe

Postby daleamn on Fri Sep 08, 2023 11:19 am

I'm still looking for an answer to my question:
Is there a 'backdoor' combination to the safe that Liberty has, that cannot be changed by the owner of the safe?
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Re: Liberty safe

Postby Rip Van Winkle on Fri Sep 08, 2023 12:52 pm

daleamn wrote:I'm still looking for an answer to my question:
Is there a 'backdoor' combination to the safe that Liberty has, that cannot be changed by the owner of the safe?

I don't know the answer.

The only way Liberty could know the combination would be if they keep a database of combinations by serial number or they have a back door.

Neither is an acceptable option as far as I'm concerned.

I have a 30 year old Browning gunsafe, Now I'm wondering how secure that is.
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Re: Liberty safe

Postby Rotary12 on Fri Sep 08, 2023 2:59 pm

From what I heard is that the backdoor co.bination cannot be changed by the owner of the safe. I don't know if all the safes have the same master or if they are in groups.
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Re: Liberty safe

Postby jdege on Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:21 pm

Rotary12 wrote:From what I heard is that the backdoor co.bination cannot be changed by the owner of the safe. I don't know if all the safes have the same master or if they are in groups.

I bought a really cheap safe to provide fire protection for important documents. (My gun cabinets are keyed.)

That cheap safe had an fixed combination, but I'd have expected any safe of quality to allow the combination to be set.
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Liberty safe

Postby dismal on Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:18 pm

This security expert has a pretty good take on the issue:

https://youtu.be/Gesfh39-xlo?feature=shared
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Re: Liberty safe

Postby Lumpy on Sat Sep 09, 2023 11:48 am

"Liberty" Safes: making it easier for third parties to liberate the contents of your safe.
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Re: Liberty safe

Postby Rip Van Winkle on Sat Sep 09, 2023 12:30 pm

From what I understand, it's just the safes with the electronic combination locks that are affected.

Mechanical locks, like mine, are fine.
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Re: Liberty safe

Postby daleamn on Mon Sep 11, 2023 1:17 am

dismal-Thanks for the link. There's a lot of good information from that guy, he doesn't answer my question but supplies a bunch of information about safes that I did not know.
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Re: Liberty safe

Postby crbutler on Mon Sep 11, 2023 1:02 pm

To the best of my knowledge, all a safe does is delay entrance to what’s in it.

.gov has safe crackers, which can get in if they want, and your property (the safe) is damaged by doing so.

That the government coerced the company to provide the combination doesn’t surprise me. Your defense against .gov is in the courts afterwards, and that’s pretty minimalist.

The safe also slows down access for thieves but can’t stop them - hopefully it slows them enough to disrupt the attempt, but it might not.

I don’t have a liberty safe, but the one I do have has an electric lock, and while they state you can change it, I suspect like anything electronic, there is a back door… as the way they wrote it was if you change the combination, we will not be able to open it for you (not can’t, won’t).

You have something you don’t want accessed easily, it’s better to use a safe deposit box. It would require its own warrant as it’s a different location. But it still is accessible if they want to.
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Liberty safe

Postby dismal on Mon Sep 11, 2023 4:11 pm

To me the big concern is not that they can access it (anyone with an angle grinder can) but that they can potentially access it without the owner knowing.
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Re: Liberty safe

Postby jdege on Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:35 pm

dismal wrote:To me the big concern is not that they can access it (anyone with an angle grinder can) but that they can potentially access it without the owner knowing.

My concern is that some hacker could steal the whole thing and start selling it on the dark web.
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Re: Liberty safe

Postby Holland&Holland on Fri Sep 22, 2023 12:48 pm

Too bad liberty safes are required.
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Re: Liberty safe

Postby daleamn on Fri Sep 22, 2023 1:31 pm

Just curious, not being argumentative, when are Liberty safes required?
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Re: Liberty safe

Postby Jackpine Savage on Fri Sep 22, 2023 4:19 pm

H&H is probably old like me. Guns used to be hung on the wall or kept in a gun display case that you made in wood shop.
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