All guns are always loaded

[macphisto]

Police said Walter Gislason, 75, of Willmar, was handling a .380-caliber handgun owned by Bruce Gomm, 43, of New London. The two men were in the parking lot at Persepolis restaurant in Willmar when the gun discharged, striking Gislason in the finger.

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Police Chief David Wyffels said Gomm removed the clip but one round apparently remained in the chamber.

The rest here: http://www.wctrib.com/event/article/id/78861

[hammAR]

apparently...............you must be kidding...........

[macphisto]

Sneaky little bastards, those chambered rounds.

[ijosef]

I've found that it's an extremely important thing to teach people who are new to guns, even if you've already showed them how everything works. When I take friends or family out shooting for the first time, I always load a magazine, fire off a few rounds, then drop the magazine out of the gun. I show them that I've removed the loaded mag from the weapon, then fire off another shot at the target. You'd be surprised at the amount of people who are shocked that this can happen.

I'm guessing that the old "removing the magazine but not clearing the chamber" mistake has caused quite a few accidents.

[redaudi]

same **** happens all the time deployed. You'd be surprised how many SOLDIERS, who are TAUGHT this ****, leave rounds in the chamber after dropping their mags.


as an NCO, it drives me insane.

PULL YOUR CHARGING HANDLE. (or slide in the case of an auto handgun)

at least there are clearing barrels outside of bldgs overseas. makes sure you fire off that round into a 55 gallon drum of sand, instead of having a chambered round in a dining facility. granted, a negligent discharge is no fun to be charged with, lol

[Snowgun]

I thought that putting "Capable of firing with magazine removed" warnings on the sides of guns has fixed all these problems...

[Snowgun]

at least there are clearing barrels outside of bldgs overseas. makes sure you fire off that round into a 55 gallon drum of sand, instead of having a chambered round in a dining facility. granted, a negligent discharge is no fun to be charged with, lol

Say, how does the procedure on this work? It seems to me that if you can't remember to clear your chamber you arn't going to remember to fire into the barrel...

[redaudi]

often times, if base/unit/theater/whatever procedure is set that way, there are guards outside of the doors who refuse to let you enter the bldg till you have cleared your weapon.


but yeah, stupid people suck.

[ijosef]

Wow, that's the second military person I've heard say the same. I've always been a civilian, but a coworker of mine (who was also in Iraq) told me that he saw or heard it happen more than once. They drop the magazine, but forget about the chambered round.

Snowgun - actually that warning on magazines only solved half the problem. Ruger solved the rest of it by stamping "Before using this gun-read warnings in instruction manual available from Sturm Ruger & Co. Inc. Southport, Conn U.S.A." on the barrels of their handguns.

[farmerj]

same **** happens all the time deployed. You'd be surprised how many SOLDIERS, who are TAUGHT this ****, leave rounds in the chamber after dropping their mags.


as an NCO, it drives me insane.

PULL YOUR CHARGING HANDLE. (or slide in the case of an auto handgun)

at least there are clearing barrels outside of bldgs overseas. makes sure you fire off that round into a 55 gallon drum of sand, instead of having a chambered round in a dining facility. granted, a negligent discharge is no fun to be charged with, lol

seen more than one round go off that way. Including an E9 who couldn't figure out why he kept firing when he would remove a round, drop the mag and fire into the barrel each time....


Supposed to be:

Muzzle to clearing barrel, Drop magazine, Pull slide and verify clear, Release slide and let bolt go forward on EMPTY chamber. Pull trigger with muzzle in clearing barrel.


Guess how many reversed these two...."Drop magazine, Pull slide and verify clear"

[gyrfalcon]

I suppose I can excuse leaving a bullet in the chamber, pointing the gun in a safe direction and pulling the trigger to make sure the weapon is cleared... What's completely inexcusable is shooting yourself or someone else when doing so.

[farmerj]

I suppose I can excuse leaving a bullet in the chamber, pointing the gun in a safe direction and pulling the trigger to make sure the weapon is cleared... What's completely inexcusable is shooting yourself or someone else when doing so.

Treat every gun to be loaded. It's still a serious screw up.

Would you do that in your basement? Your gun locker?

[gyrfalcon]

Would you do that in your basement? Your gun locker?

Yeah it's still a big screw up, but if I did ND a round it would not hurt those around me. At the most it would kill one of my poor cats, but they're already well versed in escape & evasion and using cover to their advantage.

[Hammer99...]

He broke all four rules. Pretty careless....

[farmerj]

He broke all four rules. Pretty careless....

Welcome to the mentality of the modern military.

Anytime you come inside the wire. Clearing barrel procedure. Chowhall, clearing barrel. It's a set-up for screw ups for stuff like this.

Give em all a gun, but treat em like babies and don't teach em how to handle a gun.

Best training we ever did in our unit was to have them all walk around with a magazine with 5 blanks in the magzine. It showed a lot on who was paying attention during training.