Uptown beatings -> then they pick the wrong target

[nyffman]

I think he just wanted to get a beer without any drama or beatdowns. That's why he wasn't drinking at home with the wife.

You've made a couple of comments that I would consider negative toward wives, if not downright misogynistic recently.

[Wiscosotan]

The article has been updated:

Curtis, who described himself to police as a former Marine...

[12smile]

Comments are disabled...I'm assuming the startrib wants to censor the type of outrage that makes their socialist world view look silly.

[Dick Unger]

Again, I am sure somehow this will not make the annual report of Defensive Gun Uses required to be reported annual to the state by each Sheriff.

Rich Stanek is not a slacker on this issue....how does one request his cooperation?

It's probably better if it does not make it. Then they'll say it was "i DGU in 10 years". Now zero DGUs, are obviously wrong.

Problem is, there is no objective standard for determining a DGU. Obviously the parties to the dispute will disagreee about what happened. Unless they catch these guys and a court decides they attacked him before the report is due, there would be no basis for the report. And, I doubt if the Sheriff's office has any procedure for keeping track of the DGU reports.

Crimes are "reported" all the time. The only reliable statistic is from a "conviction" or and "arrest". A DGU requires no positive action from the police, so there are no reports.

[John S.]

I think he just wanted to get a beer without any drama or beatdowns. That's why he wasn't drinking at home with the wife.

You've made a couple of comments that I would consider negative toward wives, if not downright misogynistic recently.

Plus, that **** makes us look bad too!

[plblark]

also note the narrative has changed a bit. Comments have been disappeared and the story now ends thus:

Nyhus said the attacks won't scare him out of the neighborhood, but he'll probably be more cautious about going out, especially at night.

"I don't feel any motivation to go out and buy a gun or pepper spray or anything," he said. "I still consider this a safe neighborhood, I'm just more aware that there are unsafe people out there."

They also changed the title from:
Uptown robbers target the wrong guy
to
Robbers attack armed man in Uptown

[westhope]

Again, I am sure somehow this will not make the annual report of Defensive Gun Uses required to be reported annual to the state by each Sheriff.

Rich Stanek is not a slacker on this issue....how does one request his cooperation?

It's probably better if it does not make it. Then they'll say it was "i DGU in 10 years". Now zero DGUs, are obviously wrong.

Problem is, there is no objective standard for determining a DGU. Obviously the parties to the dispute will disagreee about what happened. Unless they catch these guys and a court decides they attacked him before the report is due, there would be no basis for the report. And, I doubt if the Sheriff's office has any procedure for keeping track of the DGU reports.

Crimes are "reported" all the time. The only reliable statistic is from a "conviction" or and "arrest". A DGU requires no positive action from the police, so there are no reports.

From 624.714:

Subd. 20.Monitoring.

(a) By March 1, 2004, and each year thereafter, the commissioner must report to the legislature on:

"(6) to the extent known or determinable, data on the lawful and justifiable use of firearms by permit holders;"

I agree that the reporting of no DGU's since the reports were required in 2004 can be proven wrong and may be an advantage. Heather Martens has stated in her testimony that there have been no DGU's since the carry bill passed right after she states how many permit holders have commited crimes and had their permits revolked.

[Grayskies]

Maybe someone with access and some free time could compile a list of DGUs? I know there has been several.

[nyffman]

You assume that anything resembling an all inclusive list exists. What is your idea of a DGU?

[farmerj]

http://www.startribune.com/local/121751959.html

Latest Uptown beating victim says he had no choice but to shoot at his attackers. Police say he's a hero.

Two days after firing at two men suspected in a recent string of violent south Minneapolis robberies, Edward Curtis, 61, wanted people to know he wasn't proud of what he'd done.

But given the beating the men were giving him Tuesday night, he figured he had no choice but to use his handgun, he said.

[BBeckwith]

Latest Uptown beating victim says he had no choice but to shoot at his attackers. Police say he's a hero.

As for whether the shooting was justified, Fossum said: "We don't have any plans at all in having him charged with anything. In fact, he's more like a hero than a villain, that's for sure."

Thats not exactly what Chief Tim Dolan said yesterday at the capitol press conference.

[Motoman]

I wonder if he had a permit to carry, I haven't seen that mentioned yet.

[12smile]

I wonder if he had a permit to carry, I haven't seen that mentioned yet.

If he was going from his "dwelling place" to his "place of business" or vice versa he wouldn't need one.

[whiteox]

I wonder if he had a permit to carry, I haven't seen that mentioned yet.

If he was going from his "dwelling place" to his "place of business" or vice versa he wouldn't need one.

I think the article said he was coming back from playing bingo.

[solidgun]

Where was the Minneapolis chief of police? Why wasn't the police appear instantaneously when the crime occurred? Was he a target because he had a gun since he was 4 times more likely to be involved in gun violence? [Sarcasm]