Forest Lake PD shoot Deer in backyard

[tazdevil]

http://kstp.com/news/stories/s2455303.shtml


Didn't the DNR inform them this isn't hunting season?

Seriously though, not sure this was in city limits, however, could this be a negligent discharge issue if it is in City limits and no immediate public threat existed?

[Pat]

This whole thing stinks...

[tman]

But the Carpenter family isn't buying it.

"It's outrageous and ridiculous. I don't care what they say, I don't care what excuse they give about collared deer or whatever--how they handled this situation was wrong!" said Jeff.

They need to look in the mirror.

How THEY handled the situation was wrong.

[infidel]

I have a problem with people baiting and/or trying to domesticate wild animals. Wild animals are not pets. Carpenter's unwise actions forced conservation officers and/or LEO's to protect the rest of the deer population.

[Dick Unger]

I talked to a CO about this. They assume a deer with a collar or an ear tag has escaped from a tame herd or been brought in from a different area. This kind of thing is considered to spread disease, or cantaminate the gene pool, and it's policy to shoot such an animal running loose. It would have been better to notify the nearby homeowners. But it's illegal to have tame deer without a DNR permit. So, it's hard to imagine a good ending to what the homeowner started.

It's not always that easy to shoot a deer, because they run off and it can take a lot of time to find them and chase them down and shoot them. So, when they have a shot they take it. The person I talked to said he made a trip everyday to a farm whose operator always called when he saw the deer. Finally, he got the farmer to shoot it for him. In that case the farmer knew the problems that could happen with a tame deer.

I think the DNR is probably right about animal practices.

[mattxd]

These clueless people feeding the dear have no rights to the animals despite whatever emotional bond they think they have, the DNR is right on this one. They knew deer in the area were way to friendly with people (pink collar?/tag), there wasn't a licensed ranch in the area, there is a increased risk disease in the deer and injury to people. This is not abnormal when dealing with wildlife, a friend of mine in SD has the permit to kill any deer inside the airport fence for a small town, it's a safety thing most of us have seen what a deer can do to a car imagine what a deer can do to a beer can with wings.

[PileDriver]

I agree the people feeding the deer were ignorant and in the wrong. Though I really think someone should have informed the homeowners that they were about to be firing on their property.

[mnmike59]

Oh, but the poor deers are so cute.

[DeanC]

Though I really think someone should have informed the homeowners that they were about to be firing on their property.

That would have been a considerate thing to do I guess, but legally they have no obligation to do so or to inform them they are entering their property under open fields doctrine.

[Eric Marleau]

The Police did the correct thing in not contacting the homeowners.
There could have been a big argument, which, along with possible problems, would have chased off the deer.
In that case, this issue would have festered much longer before being resolved.

Too bad for the deer.
If the folks would have contacted the DNR right off the bat about the fawns, all would have ended well. Especially for the fawns.

Eric

[DeanC]

If the folks would have contacted the DNR right off the bat about the fawns

Or if they had jest et um.

[tazdevil]

Though I really think someone should have informed the homeowners that they were about to be firing on their property.

That would have been a considerate thing to do I guess, but legally they have no obligation to do so or to inform them they are entering their property under open fields doctrine.

How does the open fields doctrine work in a true "city zone" versus a "township zone"?

[DeanC]

Though I really think someone should have informed the homeowners that they were about to be firing on their property.

That would have been a considerate thing to do I guess, but legally they have no obligation to do so or to inform them they are entering their property under open fields doctrine.

How does the open fields doctrine work in a true "city zone" versus a "township zone"?

My understanding is it doesn't make a difference. It is really just a flavor of the "plain view" rule.

[Eric Marleau]

Speaking of flavor.
18# of deboned fawn venison really sounds good about now.
Have to find out who ended up by Bambi in the freezer.

Eric

[tazdevil]

That would have been a considerate thing to do I guess, but legally they have no obligation to do so or to inform them they are entering their property under open fields doctrine.

How does the open fields doctrine work in a true "city zone" versus a "township zone"?

My understanding is it doesn't make a difference. It is really just a flavor of the "plain view" rule.

Hmm, for some reason, this concerns me. Tell me if my fears are unfounded.

Speaking of flavor.
18# of deboned fawn venison really sounds good about now.
Have to find out who ended up by Bambi in the freezer.

Eric

Prolly left in the woods somewhere for wolves/yotes etc. I know they do that with fresh roadkill, and fresh killed by gun is fresher than the freshest roadkill.