England: Detention for Refusing to Pray to Allah

[Wadero]

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By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 11:30 AM on 04th July 2008

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Two schoolboys were given detention after refusing to kneel down and 'pray to Allah' during a religious education lesson.

Parents were outraged that the two boys from year seven (11 to 12-year-olds) were punished for not wanting to take part in the practical demonstration of how Allah is worshipped.

They said forcing their children to take part in the exercise at Alsager High School, near Stoke-on-Trent - which included wearing Muslim headgear - was a breach of their human rights.
Alsager School

Alsager School, near Stoke, has received furious complaints from parents after two Year 7 boys were punished for refusing to kneel to Allah during a religious studies class

One parent, Sharon Luinen, said: "This isn't right, it's taking things too far.

"I understand that they have to learn about other religions. I can live with that but it is taking it a step too far to be punished because they wouldn't join in Muslim prayer.

"Making them pray to Allah, who isn't who they worship, is wrong and what got me is that they were told they were being disrespectful.

"I don't want this to look as if I have a problem with the school because I am generally very happy with it."

Another parent Karen Williams said: "I am absolutely furious my daughter was made to take part in it and I don't find it acceptable.

"I haven't got a problem with them teaching my child other religions and a small amount of information doesn't do any harm.

"But not only did they have to pray, the teacher had gone into the class and made them watch a short film and then said 'we are now going out to pray to Allah'.

"Then two boys got detention and all the other children missed their refreshment break because of the teacher.

"Not only was it forced upon them, my daughter was told off for not doing it right.

"They'd never done it before and they were supposed to do it in another language."

"My child has been forced to pray to Allah in a school lesson." The grandfather of one of the pupils in the class said: "It's absolutely disgusting, there's no other way of putting it.

"My daughter and a lot of other mothers are furious about their children being made to kneel on the floor and pray to Islam. If they didn't do it they were given detention.

"I am not racist, I've been friendly with an Indian for 30 years. I've also been to a Muslim wedding where it was explained to me that alcohol would not be served and I respected that.

"But if Muslims were asked to go to church on Sunday and take Holy Communion there would be war."

Parents said that their children were made to bend down on their knees on prayer mats which the RE teacher had got out of her cupboard and they were also told to wear Islamic headgear during the lesson on Tuesday afternoon.

Deputy headmaster Keith Plant said: "It's difficult to know at the moment whether this was part of the curriculum or not. I am not an RE teacher, I am an English teacher.

"At the moment it is our enterprise week and many of our members of staff are away.

"The particular member of staff you need to speak to isn't around. I think that it is a shame that so many parents have got in touch with the Press before coming to me.

"I have spoken to the teacher and she has articulately given me her version of events, but that is all I can give you at the moment."

A statement from Cheshire County Council on behalf of the school read: "The headteacher David Black contacted this authority immediately complaints were received.

"Enquiries are being made into the circumstances as a matter of urgency and all parents will be informed accordingly.

"Educating children in the beliefs of different faith is part of the diversity curriculum on the basis that knowledge is essential to understanding.

"We accept that such teaching is to be conducted with some sense of sensitivity."

[Aceq2jot]

First let me say this E.U.C and the human rights bull crap they have Europe spuing is a total load. And the poor sod's missed their break
Basically they have a curriclum they follow. We did the same thing back when i was lad and we even read the Quran in R.E as a way of teaching us better understandings about the people and minorities around us, instead of teaching us ignorance.

Simple the kids screwed with the teacher and they got what happens when you screw with teach. Back in my day, you would have got the Cane or the Belt for causing a big ruckus in class.

But no it affects their friggin Human Rights. All the bad evil criminals in Prison have it real nice as they have Human rights No wardens with Jingling keys or taps on their boots as that may affect the Inmates Human rights

The world saddley is geting really screwed up by the Liberals and it is only going to get worse

[Andrew Rothman]

Wow. There is a huge difference between teaching about religion, and teaching religion. This looks very much like the second, and is completely inexcusable.

[Aceq2jot]

Wow. There is a huge difference between teaching about religion, and teaching religion. This looks very much like the second, and is completely inexcusable.

Prehaps you should move to England then you could have a say on how they run things

[phorvick]

"Prehaps you should move to England then you could have a say on how they run things "

One does not need to move to or live in England to recognize that punishing someone for not actively participating in someone else's religion is indeed inexcusable. I am sure it help breed tolerence.

[Aceq2jot]

"Prehaps you should move to England then you could have a say on how they run things "

One does not need to move to or live in England to recognize that punishing someone for not actively participating in someone else's religion is indeed inexcusable. I am sure it help breed tolerence.

The curiculum is on that is approved and basically the same in all schools and the rules are the rules.

If you want to bitch about something in another country go and live there and try to change it. There really is no need for people to sit there and play arm chair quarter back about **** they have no comprehension of because they read it in a newspaper.

Thats the whole reason the Europeans dislike the Yanks. Yanks have an opinion on everything and they have to shove it down other countrys throats and go and demand they way is followed. America tried it in Asia and it did not work and have never stopped doing it and its looking like it is not going to work in Iraq either. Americans should really let other countries do what they want to do instead of criticizing the way they live.

And they are not forced to pray to another God as that would be against the rules of the church of England aswell as the ten commandments. They go through the whole pray ritual and do the stand and kneel motions. But i am sure that if the newspaper had said that it would not have been a headline

[Andrew Rothman]

Wow. There is a huge difference between teaching about religion, and teaching religion. This looks very much like the second, and is completely inexcusable.

Prehaps you should move to England then you could have a say on how they run things

"Prehaps" you should consider the purpose of a discussion forum might be to discuss opinions. If you're going to **** jump on everything I say, maybe you should just go away yourself, huh?

[mattxd]

Thats the whole reason the Europeans dislike the Yanks. Yanks have an opinion on everything and they have to shove it down other countrys throats and go and demand they way is followed. America tried it in Asia and it did not work and have never stopped doing it and its looking like it is not going to work in Iraq either. Americans should really let other countries do what they want to do instead of criticizing the way they live.

So I take it that imperialism is a American invention? And the Russian, Germans, Japanese, English, French, Spanish, Italians, Greeks, and many before never imposed their will on someone else.
In my opinion the reason the Europeans hate our opinion is that we can impose our will on others and all they can do is complain about it at the UN. It's our turn for now, my guess would be the Chinese unless Brazil starts to flex it's natural resource muscle.
As far as the "simulated" prayer I think I could happen in here. I don't believe the ACLU wouldn't touch it with a 10' pole since it would be a diversity exercise, and anyone who dares question it would be labeled intolerant redneck. Look at a few of the comments generated when that columnist looked into the Mn state funded madrassa.

[dismal]

More UK fun:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1

Claim: Kids who say 'yuck' may be racist
Jul 7 12:42 PM US/Eastern


LONDON, July 7 (UPI) -- Toddlers who say "yuck" when given flavorful foreign food may be exhibiting racist behavior, a British government-sponsored organization says.

The London-based National Children's Bureau released a 366-page guide counseling adults on recognizing racist behavior in young children, The Telegraph reported Monday.

The guide, titled Young Children and Racial Justice, warns adults that babies must also be included in the effort to eliminate racism because they have the ability to "recognize different people in their lives."

The bureau says to be aware of children who "react negatively to a culinary tradition other than their own by saying 'yuck'."

"Racist incidents among children in early years settings tend to be around name-calling, casual thoughtless comments and peer group relationships," the guide says.

Staff members are advised not to ignore racist actions and to condemn them when they occur.

[Aceq2jot]

As far as the "simulated" prayer I think I could happen in here. I don't believe the ACLU wouldn't touch it with a 10' pole since it would be a diversity exercise, and anyone who dares question it would be labeled intolerant redneck. Look at a few of the comments generated when that columnist looked into the Mn state funded madrassa.

The simulated Prayer is not just restricted to islam but all religions. You also have to learn about the Rosery that the Catholics use even though Catholic marriages are illegal in England. And the list goes on about religions as they have 4 years of religion education to teach and they can only go on for so long about Henry the 8th and the creation of the church of England.

[Pinnacle]

Yeah - I think that England has jumped the shark with this whole thing.

[princewally]

The guide, titled Young Children and Racial Justice, warns adults that babies must also be included in the effort to eliminate racism because they have the ability to "recognize different people in their lives."

Utter crap. Of course children recognize different people, but that doesn't mean they register skin color. My son didn't notice skin color until his public school education pointed it out to him.

[hammAR]

Utter crap. Of course children recognize different people, but that doesn't mean they register skin color. My son didn't notice skin color until his public school education pointed it out to him.

Really,

that is exactly why I love .45's.......absolutely and totally non-bigoted............
it will make the same big a33ed hole in you regardless of what color, race, religion, or gender you happen to be...........


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[gunflint]

And this is why I don't like Europeans. Oh yeah, I hate Chinese food also.

From Cal Thomas in today's Townhall.

So this is how it ends: not with a bang, but a whimper.

The most senior judge in England has declared that Islamic legal principles in Sharia law may be used within Muslim communities in Britain to settle marital arguments and regulate finance. Lord Chief Justice Lord Phillips said, "Those entering into a contractual agreement can agree that the agreement shall be governed by a law other than English law."

In his speech at an East London mosque, Lord Phillips said Muslims in Britain could use Islamic legal principles as long as punishments - and divorce rulings - comply with English law. Sharia law does not comply with English law. It is a law unto itself.

And so the English who gave us the Magna Carta in 1215, William Blackstone and the foundation of American law are slowly succumbing to the dictates of intolerant Islam and sowing seeds of their own destruction.

The Iranian and Kurdish Women's Rights Organization (IKWRO), an umbrella group of activists who work in Muslim countries to liberate women from the dark side of this oppressive force, according to Womensphere.wordpress.com, identifies Sharia family law as the fundamental basis for discrimination against women in the Muslim world, including communities in the United Kingdom.

Here are just some of the "benefits" British Muslim women can look forward to if Sharia law replaces English law: The Muslim woman cannot marry without parental approval, worsening the problem of forced marriage; marriages can be conducted without the presence of a bride, as long as the guardian consents, creating a climate for underage and early marriage; Muslim women may only marry Muslim men.

It gets worse. A Muslim man can divorce his wife by repudiating her; they have no obligation to support a former wife, or her children after the divorce; women are prohibited from divorcing husbands without his consent; abuse is not grounds for a woman to end a marriage; in matters of inheritance, sons are entitled to twice as much of an estate as daughters.

Divorced women must remain single. If they remarry they can lose custody of their children. There is no similar requirement for a man. Child custody often reverts to the father at a preset age, even if the father has been abusive.

It is impossible to reconcile this antiquated "law" with English law, so what could Lord Phillips mean when he says that Sharia law can be used in Muslim communities as long as such laws comply with English law? This will mean English law must become subordinate to Sharia law. This is Dhimmitude, an Islamic system of religious apartheid begun in the 7th century that forces all other religions and cultures to accept an inferior status once Muslims become the majority.

Maryland's Court of Appeals recently denied a Sharia divorce to a Pakistani man. The man's wife of 20 years had filed for divorce. To circumvent having to share their $2 million estate and other marital assets, he went to the Pakistani embassy and applied for an Islamic divorce. The man wanted to invoke what is known as talaq, in which the husband says, "I divorce you" three times and it's done.

The Maryland court said, "If we were to affirm the use of talaq, controlled as it is by the husband, a wife, a resident of this state, would never be able to consummate a divorce action filed by her in which she seeks a division of marital property" and the talaq "directly deprives the wife of the due process she is entitled to when she initiates divorce litigation. The lack and deprivation of due process is itself contrary to (Maryland's) public policy."

British Muslims who wish to live under Sharia law might have stayed in the countries from which they came - or return to them. But their objective appears to be domination of England, not assimilation. This also seems to be the goal for Muslims in other countries with large and growing Muslim populations.

There is no due process under Sharia law. Lord Phillips has signed the death warrant for his nation if his opinion becomes the law of England. It's one thing to fight a war and lose it. It's quite another to willingly surrender without a struggle.

[joelr]

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