No MN ban?

[CarRacer]

So there will be no MN magazine or assault weapons ban?

http://www.startribune.com/politics/blogs/191731791.html

[Heffay]

So there will be no MN magazine or assault weapons ban?

http://www.startribune.com/politics/blogs/191731791.html

Well, we knew that all along. Just had to go through the motions.

[rtk]

I saw it this afternoon......Interesting.

[CarRacer]

Well, we knew that all along. Just had to go through the motions.

I agreed with you all along. Status quo doesn't sell as many guns as saying the sky is falling does.

[photogpat]

At the PM Rally this afternoon -- the No Background Checks was the mantra -- "Enough is Enough" was chanted over and over again.

[2in2out]

Have the House bills been officially put to bed, then? Are they not bringing any of them to the floor?

Just because the Senate committee says they won't talk about it, that just means they don't have Senate bills similar to what the House has.... correct?

I think it's way to early to declare victory. Watching Colorado, there's no way we can give up. This is a struggle that will last a generation.

[JustPlainT]

Have the House bills been officially put to bed, then? Are they not bringing any of them to the floor?

Nope. They'll be in the House soon enough. I haven't seen any evidence they won't be introduced there.

Just because the Senate committee says they won't talk about it, that just means they don't have Senate bills similar to what the House has.... correct?

Correct. If it is introduced and passed in the House, the Senate still has to deal with it. They may choose to deal with it by throwing it at the bottom of the agenda and never doing anything (a de facto "no" vote without even looking at it), but I won't count on that just yet. We need to make sure we kill anything that comes into the House even if the Senate won't introduce a counterpart bill independently.

[XDM45]

NO.

That's our answer without compromise. No quarter given. Never surrender, keep up the pressure and the momentum because once we win this round and defeat these bills, we need to press onward and get pro-gun legislation introduced. because now is the time. We can say "Look, we as Minnesotans have defeated these bills and clearly we are pro-gun and wish to protect our 2A rights; and as such, we're introducing legislation to further protect the rights of Minnesotans to protect themselves and to further guarantee our right to bare arms." or something worded better than that, but you get the idea. I'm sure Tony Cornish would be on our side for that.

[yuppiejr]

Dilligence in keeping the heat up on the local and national ban proposals is important.... (again, if you are not able to attend and show support there make sure you are donating to the NRA + GOCRA) but it's only the first phase in this fight.

There are plenty of ways to nail shooters and gun owners on the ammo supply side. I imagine creative over-reach by the EPA on "lead polution" is only just gaining steam... Per bullet taxation... Executive orders or friendly agreements with foreign governments limiting importation of ammunition from Russia (Wolf, Barnul, *Tiger, TulAmmo, Century surplus, etc..), South/Central America (Magtech, Aquila, etc..) and/or Europe (Prvi, Centurion, Fiochi) would put a huge dent in already short supply... laws effecting shipping and transportation of ammo/reloading supplies to drive up costs... Leaning on government contract suppliers to limit civilian production/availability or even purposefully buying huge contract allocations to tie up production capacity...

How many of us have already shifted into "rationed" shooting based on lack of availability or cost of ammunition? You don't need to ban guns if people can't afford to shoot the ones they own. We're just getting started here... any executive/regulatory loopholes that can be exploited without jeopardizing a legislator's seat in the next election are still in the works waiting to see if any of the bigger symbolic bans make it through while burning off resources of the pro-gun lobby in the process.

[photogpat]

<snip> laws effecting shipping and transportation of ammo/reloading supplies to drive up costs...

Ding ding ding ding...we have a winner.

[yuppiejr]

Look at the supply of surplus 5.56 + 7.62 NATO small arms ammunition - the golden age of quality cheap surplus ended when UN member countries started scrapping rather than surplussing their ammo including the US under executive order. Remember the cheap Hirt/DAG battle packs of .308 or the South African 5.56 M193 battle packs sold in huge crates? For the most part the only surplus you see is priced almost as high as new commercial and is either of questionable origin or condition (moldy Portugese or DAG battle packs that have been sitting in a warehouse waiting until the "bottom of the barrel" was attractive to panic buyers again, etc..). Think about how cheap AR food would be if the US government was required to surplus (whole or as reloading components) all of it's unused small arms ammunition rather than destroy it. The AWB may have sunset under GWB but the executive order (without legislative oversight) requiring destruction rather than sale of surplus small arms ammunition penned by Clinton remains a major factor in the supply and price of common military cartridges like 9mm, 5.56 NATO /223, 7.62 NATO/.308, etc...