This is the problem with america!

[MrDig]

I can assure you I see no where near 31k per year. 203.00 per month cash allowance does not equal 31,000 as a matter of fact even with food support I would get less than 4500 all year long. There aint no trucks of money backing up to my door.
More important is the fact that there are per capita far more Corporate subsidy abusers than Poor or Working Poor abusers of the system.
I'm living in a Homeless Shelter for Veterans and I have had VA employees look me in the eye and tell me I'm not "Homeless enough" for them to help.
Mean while I have VA Clinicians tell me I have a medical problem that they diagnosed and prescribe medication for, tell me I'm not disabled but that I should not work in my condition.
On top of that the same VA tells me that my condition is not Service Connected but I can clearly document that it is, I am still fighting that and I was discharged in 1979!
Did I mention the time it takes to get Social Security to actually consider your disability case let alone approve it? Maybe I should point out that my older Brother was Terminal with Cancer and by the time Social Security looked at his claim he had died.
People who say things like "Welfare is whats wrong with America" have no Idea what its like to live on that level of income.
I'm sorry but I've seen the "Welfare State" from the inside, the people here need the help and are not goldbricks looking for a hand out. Less than 2% of the budgeted money for food support is abused and less than 5% of Welfare is abused.

The real problem with America is too many people taking Fox News as Gospel and not the Good Book as Gospel.

[XDM45]

When the power of Love replaces the love of power, then the World's problems will be solved. It begins and ends within each of us. Until such time that happens..............

[Snakeman721]

I can assure you I see no where near 31k per year. 203.00 per month cash allowance does not equal 31,000 as a matter of fact even with food support I would get less than 4500 all year long. There aint no trucks of money backing up to my door.
More important is the fact that there are per capita far more Corporate subsidy abusers than Poor or Working Poor abusers of the system.
I'm living in a Homeless Shelter for Veterans and I have had VA employees look me in the eye and tell me I'm not "Homeless enough" for them to help.
Mean while I have VA Clinicians tell me I have a medical problem that they diagnosed and prescribe medication for, tell me I'm not disabled but that I should not work in my condition.
On top of that the same VA tells me that my condition is not Service Connected but I can clearly document that it is, I am still fighting that and I was discharged in 1979!
Did I mention the time it takes to get Social Security to actually consider your disability case let alone approve it? Maybe I should point out that my older Brother was Terminal with Cancer and by the time Social Security looked at his claim he had died.
People who say things like "Welfare is whats wrong with America" have no Idea what its like to live on that level of income.
I'm sorry but I've seen the "Welfare State" from the inside, the people here need the help and are not goldbricks looking for a hand out. Less than 2% of the budgeted money for food support is abused and less than 5% of Welfare is abused.

The real problem with America is too many people taking Fox News as Gospel and not the Good Book as Gospel.

There's the VA...and then there's "wefare'...two completely different animals. Now if you were a woman with infant and toddler in tow, then you'd have the subsidized housing with food stamps, a car and spending cash. But....you're male (I assume), and males usually get the short end of the stick when it comes to claiming disability.

[grousemaster]

{Sarcasm}Sure I spend all of my $203.00 dollars per month on the Tribe in Mille Lacs,{Sarcasm}

If you think getting by on welfare is easy street you are sadly mistaken.
And if you want to call me a freeloader because I have medical problems and can't work go right ahead.
More over while you bitch about us freeloaders your federal tax dollars are subsidizing multi Billion Dollar companies like Exxon and Walmart. Yes Good Old all American Walmart is ripping you off by now paying people enough they all qualify for Food Stamps and Medical Assistance because they can only work 29 hours a week not 30 thereby no need for Standard benefits.
So next time you want to bitch about the "Welfare State" read the Book of Matthew Chapter 25 Verses 31-46

Hey,

I agree we ought to be helping those in need before we help corporations, unless stopping "helping" those multi billion dollar companies harms the economy or leads to more lost jobs.

No, just stop it. Rip the band aid off. We will be better for it in the long run if we just get back to the free market and put everyone involved in crony capitalism in jail.

When has chrony capitalism not existed in a free market? Maybe you could point to a time in history we need to "get back" to?

[Heffay]

When has chrony capitalism not existed in a free market? Maybe you could point to a time in history we need to "get back" to?

There is a hashtag for that! #piningforatimethatneverexisted

Happens a lot around here.

[grousemaster]

When has chrony capitalism not existed in a free market? Maybe you could point to a time in history we need to "get back" to?

There is a hashtag for that! #piningforatimethatneverexisted

Happens a lot around here.

As bad as chrony capitalism may be now, there's times in our countries history is has been downright ridiculous.

[Uffdaphil]

"Businesses don't pay someone according to their skill and value. They pay someone the minimum amount that they can for someone who can get the job done."

This is a perfect illustration of how the Left has no concept of how a free market works. The minimum amount the employer has to pay is exactly according to the workers skill and value. If the demand for a skill is high and he pays too little, he loses workers to the competition. If he pays too much the cost comes out of profit and the business loses against the more efficient competition.

Remember when fast food wages jumped drastically 10-15 years ago? Just the "skill" of being a trainable warm body was in demand so employers had no choice but to jump wages 40-50%. The feel-good arbitrary raising the minimum wage, disregarding supply and demand, must result in short term job loss and longer term inflation.

Free market capitalism made this country the most upwardly mobile society in the history of the world. The equality-of-outcome, utopian redistributionist thinking is turning us into just another decaying Euro failure. If you subsidize something you get more of it. If you tax something you get less of it. The Left denies that basic tenet of human nature.

It's been a good run, but you can see the barbarians at the gates.

[yukonjasper]

So next time you want to bitch about the "Welfare State" read the Book of Matthew Chapter 25 Verses 31-46

I always get a kick out of people who want to pick and choose what they take from the bible. The point is you can’t just read and follow the parts of the Bible you like and interpret them any way it suits you at the time. Selectively applying passages to justify an action. That sort of moral relativism is what has brought us to where we are today. Read the whole bible and understand the entire context.

Most Liberals want to focus on Matthew 25:31-46, that talks about Charity – nice concept and correct and just so happens to give them a pass to make others feel guilty so they continue to pay the bills for those not wanting to work and keep their mouth shut. But they forget all about the two parables above it Matthew 25:1-13 – parable of the Virgins that talks about being prepared not only spiritually but to think and plan ahead and Matthew 25:13-30 – parable of the Talents that talks about investing the talents that God has given you so that you can make a profit and return that to the kingdom of God and glorify his church and his people – God wants us to be prosperous. Read them in context together and you get the whole picture. That’s just one example.

I also get the concept of Deserving Poor and undeserving leeches on the system. The leeches are the reason the Deserving Poor have to struggle to live off of what is provided by the collective. The answer isn't to collect more, the answer is to eliminate the drag to the system - the leeches. Unfortunately, the leeches vote and there are more and more of them all the time, so no one is standing up to them to let them know the free ride is over. If the leeches and the Deserving could be separated, you'd probably have your answer - the main reason the Deserving go along with electing the politicians who hand out money to everyone even though they don't believe in it, is becasue they think their share is also going to stop also. We all vote our interests and our self preservation. To complain about Corporate welfare while the leeches line up to take bread from all of us means the leeches have convinced you that you are the same as they are- that isn't true. If you have a legitimate reason for being on aid, you are not the same as the leeches. Stand up for yourself and be counted as an individual not as a victim class. .

[xd ED]

"Businesses don't pay someone according to their skill and value. They pay someone the minimum amount that they can for someone who can get the job done."

This is a perfect illustration of how the Left has no concept of how a free market works. The minimum amount the employer has to pay is exactly according to the workers skill and value. If the demand for a skill is high and he pays too little, he loses workers to the competition. If he pays too much the cost comes out of profit and the business loses against the more efficient competition.

Remember when fast food wages jumped drastically 10-15 years ago? Just the "skill" of being a trainable warm body was in demand so employers had no choice but to jump wages 40-50%. The feel-good arbitrary raising the minimum wage, disregarding supply and demand, must result in short term job loss and longer term inflation.

Free market capitalism made this country the most upwardly mobile society in the history of the world. The equality-of-outcome, utopian redistributionist thinking is turning us into just another decaying Euro failure. If you subsidize something you get more of it. If you tax something you get less of it. The Left denies that basic tenet of human nature.

It's been a good run, but you can see the barbarians at the gates.

^^^^some very uncommon common sense

[grousemaster]

"Businesses don't pay someone according to their skill and value. They pay someone the minimum amount that they can for someone who can get the job done."

This is a perfect illustration of how the Left has no concept of how a free market works. The minimum amount the employer has to pay is exactly according to the workers skill and value. If the demand for a skill is high and he pays too little, he loses workers to the competition. If he pays too much the cost comes out of profit and the business loses against the more efficient competition.

Remember when fast food wages jumped drastically 10-15 years ago? Just the "skill" of being a trainable warm body was in demand so employers had no choice but to jump wages 40-50%. The feel-good arbitrary raising the minimum wage, disregarding supply and demand, must result in short term job loss and longer term inflation.

Free market capitalism made this country the most upwardly mobile society in the history of the world. The equality-of-outcome, utopian redistributionist thinking is turning us into just another decaying Euro failure. If you subsidize something you get more of it. If you tax something you get less of it. The Left denies that basic tenet of human nature.

It's been a good run, but you can see the barbarians at the gates.

nail has been hit on the head

[Mn01r6]

When has chrony capitalism not existed in a free market? Maybe you could point to a time in history we need to "get back" to?

Why latch on to that part of my statement? I am saying end corporate welfare and "too big to fail" and all other perversions of the free market. We need to "get back" to the ideal of true capitalism and pursue it, rather than the socialism we seem bent on accepting or pursuing now.

There is a hashtag for that! #piningforatimethatneverexisted

Happens a lot around here.

I pine for no time. I pine for the pursuit of an ideal, the pursuit of which has stopped.

[LePetomane]

I also get the concept of Deserving Poor and undeserving leeches on the system. The leeches are the reason the Deserving Poor have to struggle to live off of what is provided by the collective. The answer isn't to collect more, the answer is to eliminate the drag to the system - the leeches.

They are also very clever and have studied how the system works. They know how to play the victim card better than those truly in need. They will always have their advocates in the social system. Too bad.

[jstiegs]

The problem is the lazy people that milk it. Deny it all you want but many people do. My fiance and I were struggling a couple years back and went to the county to try to get some daycare assistance help. The woman said they cannot help us. She suggested that we should work a combined total of under 20 hours per week and we would receive free daycare, food, cash and living assistance. why the hell would I need daycare for working less? The system encourages welfare. I work hard for my money and refuse to take the lazy way out. I have met people in their 20s that are perfectly capable of working but collect a disability check for anxiety or depression. Its sad.

[LePetomane]

The system encourages welfare.

You left out the vote to keep the libs in office that follows.

[MrDig]

So next time you want to bitch about the "Welfare State" read the Book of Matthew Chapter 25 Verses 31-46

I always get a kick out of people who want to pick and choose what they take from the bible. The point is you can’t just read and follow the parts of the Bible you like and interpret them any way it suits you at the time. Selectively applying passages to justify an action. That sort of moral relativism is what has brought us to where we are today. Read the whole bible and understand the entire context.

Your statement would be my point exactly.