Soucheray on Ray Widstrand.

[gunsmith]

http://www.twincities.com/crime/ci_2393 ... -our-midst

Joe gets credit for inventing the phrase 'Feral Youth' I think Ruben Rosario got closer to the core of this issue when he interviewed a St Paul Cop (off the record) who revealed that the police were being restrained by the politicians from a proper 'crack-down' on the thugs.

Ray Widstrand seems to be headed to 'Life as a Vegetable'

I assume he's pooping in a diaper and will be for the next 50 years.

[yukonjasper]

Totally agree with everything in this article.

[2in2out]

Totally agree with everything in this article.

Absolutely.
+1

[gunsmith]

The Founding Fathers made a big mistake when they included no "Cruel and Unusual Punishment" in the Constitution.

This kids mother is at his bedside telling him to 'Please wake up' but his brain is smashed and he'll never have another Human moment.

The thugs responsible need to die in agony.

The nation's last public hanging was the execution of Rainey Bethea in 1936 in Owensboro, Ky. A crowd estimated at 20,000 people gathered to watch.
Rainey Bethea confessed to the rape and murder of a 70-year-old woman named Lischia Edwards, and after being convicted of her rape, he was publicly hanged in Owensboro, Kentucky.

[river_boater]

The Founding Fathers made a big mistake when they included no "Cruel and Unusual Punishment" in the Constitution.

Like nearly everything else in the Bill of Rights, it is intended to protect the innocent and not just the offender. It's completely acceptable to be outraged, but try to be smart about it.

Besides, .gov regularly violates the 8th Amendment; pray that it doesn't get any worse.

[gunsmith]

I think most people feel powerless when contemplating these 'Wilding' attacks...

Ray Widstrand hasn't got national attention. There are others locally. The brother of the owner of Freewheel bikes which has locations on the West Bank (Little Somalia) and the Midtown Greenway was 'stomped' in a similar fashion to Ray Widstrand.

He was attacked on the greenway near the Greenway bike shop behind the old Sears building by a group of 8-10 13-17 year old males and suffered Life-changing 'Permanent Brain Injury' I think he can speak and 'work' but Where is the justice for him?

The only creative reaction to these crimes is a decades long campaign for the re-instatement of Capital Punishment for Murder

DEATH PENALTY

Since 1911 . . .
Bills to restore death penalty often short-lived

It had been a high-profile crime from the outset: the double
murder of a boy and his mother in 1905. There were inflammatory
news accounts of the killings, complete with denunciations of a
suspected "unnatural relationship" between the murderer and boy.

In the end, William Williams, the 28-year-old steamfitter
convicted of murdering his 16-year-old friend, John Keller,
failed to convince the jury that he was insane, and he lost every
appeal.

And when he took his final steps to the gallows under the Ramsey
County Jail in 1906, no one knew it would be the last time an
execution was carried out in Minnesota.

The executioners did not take into account one key factor: the
stretch of the hanging rope. After Williams' feet hit the floor,
sheriff's deputies scrambled to hoist the rope. The police
surgeon counted the minutes on his watch, waiting for the pulse
to stop. A small crowd of spectators watched as it took Williams
14 and one-half minutes to die by strangulation.

The miscalculated hanging began a six-year movement to abolish
the death penalty in the Minnesota Legislature.

1927 -- A Senate bill (SF858) is reported back from Crime and
Crime Prevention Committee, and at its recommendation, is
"indefinitely postponed."

1931 -- A House bill (HF240) is reported back from Crime and
Crime Prevention Committee that it be "indefinitely postponed."

1933 -- A Senate bill (SF204) is referred to Crime and Crime
Prevention Committee, but no vote is taken.

1937 -- A House bill (HF250) is returned to its author by the
Crime and Crime Prevention Committee. Two bills in the Senate
(SF157, SF1159) also fail to get committee approval.

1974 -- A Senate bill (SF3010) doesn't make it out of the
Health,Welfare and Corrections Committee.

1975 -- A Senate bill (SF518) doesn't make it out of Judiciary
Committee.

1986 -- Two bills (HF2215, SF2095) fail to receive committee
approval.

1989 -- A House bill (HF998) is referred to the Judiciary
Committee, but following a hearing is defeated in committee on a
2-21 vote. A bill in the Senate (SF768) was referred to the
Judiciary Committee but did not receive a hearing.

We'll continue to have horrific murders like the Ray Widstrand stomping...
and they'll fade away a couple of weeks later. I think a sponsor could be found
to bring back the death penalty...and I would like to see it on the ballot as a constitutional
amendment to minimize the urban-lefty influence.

They could raise MILLIONS for victim assistance and violence prevention if they offered 'Pay-Per-View'
coverage of the event.

[LePetomane]

Ray Widstrand seems to be headed to 'Life as a Vegetable'

I assume he's pooping in a diaper and will be for the next 50 years.

I assume you are speculating. And the proper term is "persistent vegetative state" and not vegetable. Do you have firsthand knowledge of his condition and permission from his family to announce it? You may want to refer to the HIPPA regs that protect patients privacy. Fines begin at $5000 per violation.

[Jeff Bergquist]

Ray Widstrand seems to be headed to 'Life as a Vegetable'

I assume he's pooping in a diaper and will be for the next 50 years.

I assume you are speculating. And the proper term is "persistent vegetative state" and not vegetable. Do you have firsthand knowledge of his condition and permission from his family to announce it? You may want to refer to the HIPPA regs that protect patients privacy. Fines begin at $5000 per violation.

As far as I know he doesn't need permission to "assume" anything, or to say so.

[Mn01r6]

Ray Widstrand seems to be headed to 'Life as a Vegetable'

I assume he's pooping in a diaper and will be for the next 50 years.

I assume you are speculating. And the proper term is "persistent vegetative state" and not vegetable. Do you have firsthand knowledge of his condition and permission from his family to announce it? You may want to refer to the HIPPA regs that protect patients privacy. Fines begin at $5000 per violation.

So gunsmith is a covered entity now? Stop blowing smoke.

[gunsmith]

Where's Heffay?

Is he on "Vacation" ?....he's supposed to come into a thread, 'Crap on it' and leave, making only a 'personal shot' and not contributing anything of intellectual value to the thread.

A practice known as 'Thread Crapping'

Bring Heffay back....hopefully a 'Kinder, Gentler Heffay'




Frankly, no one can even shine Heffay's shoes when it comes to "Thread Crapping" leave that job to the Expert.

[LePetomane]

Ray Widstrand seems to be headed to 'Life as a Vegetable'

I assume he's pooping in a diaper and will be for the next 50 years.

I assume you are speculating. And the proper term is "persistent vegetative state" and not vegetable. Do you have firsthand knowledge of his condition and permission from his family to announce it? You may want to refer to the HIPPA regs that protect patients privacy. Fines begin at $5000 per violation.

So gunsmith is a covered entity now? Stop blowing smoke.

And nonsensical predictions about the remainder of someone's life is not blowing smoke?? Get your facts straight, pal. It is doubtful that anyone on this forum has any firsthand knowledge of this unfortunate gentleman's condition and if they did I hope they would have the decency to respect his privacy instead of using phrases like the original post referred to. You are blowing smoke as well.

[Mn01r6]

And nonsensical predictions about the remainder of someone's life is not blowing smoke?? Get your facts straight, pal.

Nonsensical? The prognosis was printed in the media 2 weeks before gunsmith created this thread and is pulled directly from the criminal complaint against the perpetrators.

"As of Aug. 8, the prognosis of recovery for Widstrand is slight, police said. Should he live, he will suffer permanent and protracted loss of brain function." http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2013/08/1 ... l-beating/

[bensdad]

Ray Widstrand seems to be headed to 'Life as a Vegetable'

I assume he's pooping in a diaper and will be for the next 50 years.

I assume you are speculating. And the proper term is "persistent vegetative state" and not vegetable. Do you have firsthand knowledge of his condition and permission from his family to announce it? You may want to refer to the HIPPA regs that protect patients privacy. Fines begin at $5000 per violation.

we get it. you know the politically correct term for vegetable, and you're a hippa expert. your medical trivia awesomeness has nothing to do with the thread.

[LePetomane]

And nonsensical predictions about the remainder of someone's life is not blowing smoke?? Get your facts straight, pal.

Nonsensical? The prognosis was printed in the media 2 weeks before gunsmith created this thread and is pulled directly from the criminal complaint against the perpetrators.

"As of Aug. 8, the prognosis of recovery for Widstrand is slight, police said. Should he live, he will suffer permanent and protracted loss of brain function." http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2013/08/1 ... l-beating/

Does the criminal complaint mention the specifics as they are mentioned here? I doubt it.

I too am curious as to the whereabouts of Heffay. Are you really waiting for him to come riding in on her pink Unicorn to save the day????????????

[yukonjasper]

Stole this from another post but it applies here.
http://www.paramuspost.com/article.php/20130828114322287