Another reason to not live in California.

[gunsmith]

http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/12/democ ... lot-drive/



It's just not fair that 13 year old boys can't vote...the ultimate teenage fantasy is to be the Invisible Man in the Girls Locker Room.

California conservatives say they’ve collected enough signatures to prevent a law from taking effect that would allow transgender public school students to choose the bathrooms they want to use and the sports teams they want to join regardless of their sex at birth.

State officials must verify that the signatures come from registered voters, reports the San Francisco Chronicle.

The signature verification process could take several weeks.


If the state deems that at least 505,000 of the 620,000 submitted signatures are valid, the law — commonly known as Assembly Bill 1266 — will no longer be implemented on Jan. 1. Instead, the issue will appear on a November 2014 ballot.

California voters would then decide if students with penises should use bathrooms and locker rooms designated for males and students with vaginas should use restrooms designated for females, or if those places should be free-for-alls based on how students say they feel.

The primary architect behind this ballot battle is Republican strategist Frank Schubert. His group, Privacy for All Students, worked closely with socially conservative churches to gather the signatures.


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/12/democ ... z2kTdehc8T

[LePetomane]

Nothing out of that crazy state surprises me any more.

[Sietch]

As anywhere, the majority of voters in CA probably have no clue about this and won't until (if) it's enacted or on the ballot. I'm sure that the assemblymen from less affluent Latino districts will be happy to carry the water for their moonbeam colleagues and explain to their constituents why they should vote to let the boys watch their daughters shower. If you didn't know better, you'd assume "California" was a Cirque du Soleil tour.

[loose]

The crap that comes out of that state is unbelievable.

[loose]

The crap that comes out of that state is unbelievable.

[DoxaPar]

You can say that again.

[gunsmith]

Some of it is spreading to Colorado....Bloomberg just helped finance a ballot measure to increase taxes which was roundly defeated. They have one more gun ban related recall which would shift the balance of power in the legislature...

[Vikingsfan93]

From what I have heard Colorado is turning into the California East. These progressive morons are migrating there.

[goaliemn]

this isn't some boy saying "I think I want to be a girl" and given immediate access to the locker room.. this is one that has gone through therapy and possibly started treatment to transition. Its not something most boys would do to just gain access to a locker room.

[Erud]

this isn't some boy saying "I think I want to be a girl" and given immediate access to the locker room.. this is one that has gone through therapy and possibly started treatment to transition. Its not something most boys would do to just gain access to a locker room.

Ok, so what is the criteria? If a male student thinks it over for awhile, he can use the girls' facilities, as long as he's sure? Why would it make sense to potentially make the whole girls' locker room/restroom uncomfortable and awkward for everyone there, just to make one (or a few) person/people less uncomfortable or awkward in their own area? Should there be separate facilities for every possible sexual orientation or preference, or does it just make more sense for males and females to use the facilities provided for their actual gender, and accept the fact that sometimes the cruel world just won't be able to accommodate every idea you have?

[goaliemn]

Ok, so what is the criteria?

If they've started therapy to transition via a licensed psychologist, they'd be considered transgendered at that point.

I don't see it being abused, as it does require psych eval, as well as the fact most boys wouldn't want to be considered transgendered or identified as such unless they really are..

[Erud]

Ok, so what is the criteria?

If they've started therapy to transition via a licensed psychologist, they'd be considered transgendered at that point.

I don't see it being abused, as it does require psych eval, as well as the fact most boys wouldn't want to be considered transgendered or identified as such unless they really are..

What about my follow up questions?

[ericinmn1970]

Ok, so what is the criteria?

If they've started therapy to transition via a licensed psychologist, they'd be considered transgendered at that point.

I don't see it being abused, as it does require psych eval, as well as the fact most boys wouldn't want to be considered transgendered or identified as such unless they really are..

What about my follow up questions?

I'm actually with both of you on this. I consider myself to be pretty open minded and prefer to let people live as they wish, as long as no one else's rights, freedoms, privileges, immunities, or protections under the law are not being violated.

AFAIK, what goaliemn stated is true, the "boys" can't just wake up one day and decide they're "transgendered" and need to start using the restroom of the opposite sex in order to feel more comfortable. And while that's a start, I also see where Erud (and many others) are coming from. In my humble opinion, if transgenders want to use a different restroom than what their body parts indicate they should be using, then transgenders should have to complete their "transformation" via a sex change, hormone therapy, psychological therapy, the works. Until then, yes they'll just have to avoid using public facilities or learn to deal with their discomfort until the proper arrangements can be made.

[goaliemn]

your followups

If a male student thinks it over for awhile, he can use the girls' facilities, as long as he's sure?

as long as he's started treatment/therapy, he'd be able to. This isn't just a boy thinking it over, then jumping into the locker room

Why would it make sense to potentially make the whole girls' locker room/restroom uncomfortable and awkward for everyone there, just to make one (or a few) person/people less uncomfortable or awkward in their own area?

So should someone who may have breast development make everyone in the mens/boys locker room feel uncomfortable when they go into the shower? Either way, people may feel uncomfortable.

Should there be separate facilities for every possible sexual orientation or preference, or does it just make more sense for males and females to use the facilities provided for their actual gender, and accept the fact that sometimes the cruel world just won't be able to accommodate every idea you have?

boys are generally more cruel towards those that are different than girls. If a boy was starting the transition and was on hormones, he could face substantial harm in the boys locker room. I don't know if its worth that exposure, vs allowing them to use another locker room..

If there's a teachers locker room, I'd support opening that up to transgendered students. It gives them extra safety, and minimal impact on other students.

[20mm]

If there's a teachers locker room, I'd support opening that up to transgendered students. It gives them extra safety, and minimal impact on other students.

Why should we have locker rooms separated by sex anyhow? We're all humans!

People should really think about how wasteful it is to have multiple bathrooms and locker rooms. Unisex is where it's at!

or learn to deal with their discomfort until the proper arrangements can be made.

Legally your sex can be changed by a Judge. Just like your name.