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Re: Obama: Time to review local police militarization

Postby hunterfreakhd on Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:35 am

Next will be the deMilitarization of the military.
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Re: Obama: Time to review local police militarization

Postby jgalt on Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:43 am

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Re: Obama: Time to review local police militarization

Postby jgalt on Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:45 am

xd ED wrote:
captnviper wrote:The Richland County (S.C.) Sheriff's Department has acquired an armored personnel carrier complete with a turret-mounted .50-caliber belt-fed machine gun for its Special Response Team.
http://m.policemag.com/news/1564/s-c-sh ... achine-gun
A belt fed gun? Seems excessive what scenario would they ever use that in?


?? Cat in a tree??


Don't be effen' ridiculous - cat in a tree clearly calls for a flamethrower. Or maybe a grenade launcher.

Alternatively, they could use one of those non-tank ( :roll: ) battering rams to just take down the tree. This both solves the current problem (cat in tree) as well as any future problems (cat - or anyone else - in tree)... :twisted:
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Re: Obama: Time to review local police militarization

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Re: Obama: Time to review local police militarization

Postby farmerj on Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:00 pm

captnviper wrote:The Richland County (S.C.) Sheriff's Department has acquired an armored personnel carrier complete with a turret-mounted .50-caliber belt-fed machine gun for its Special Response Team.
http://m.policemag.com/news/1564/s-c-sh ... achine-gun
A belt fed gun? Seems excessive what scenario would they ever use that in?



I could care less about a belt fed.


Wtf do they need a 50 cal for?
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Re: Obama: Time to review local police militarization

Postby 20mm on Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:01 pm

farmerj wrote:I could care less about a belt fed.


Wtf do they need a 50 cal for?



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Re: Obama: Time to review local police militarization

Postby Ironbear on Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:20 pm

farmerj wrote:I could care less about a belt fed.

Wtf do they need a 50 cal for?


That question just seems to keep coming up again and again... doesn't it? :(

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Re: Obama: Time to review local police militarization

Postby george on Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:23 pm

captnviper wrote:The Richland County (S.C.) Sheriff's Department has acquired an armored personnel carrier complete with a turret-mounted .50-caliber belt-fed machine gun for its Special Response Team.
http://m.policemag.com/news/1564/s-c-sh ... achine-gun
A belt fed gun? Seems excessive what scenario would they ever use that in?

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Re: Obama: Time to review local police militarization

Postby Lumpy on Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:31 pm

If it situation requires armor and heavy machine guns, isn't that what the National Guard is for?
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Re: Obama: Time to review local police militarization

Postby xd ED on Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:14 pm

Lumpy wrote:If it situation requires armor and heavy machine guns, isn't that what the National Guard is for?


I have no problem with a P.D. owning a .50 bmg, were it a precision bolt gun; useful for disabling a vehicle, and penetrating a barricade. But yeah, when it's a MaDuece on an APV... that's not a civilian weapon.
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Re: Obama: Time to review local police militarization

Postby xd ED on Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:19 pm

jgalt wrote:
xd ED wrote:
captnviper wrote:The Richland County (S.C.) Sheriff's Department has acquired an armored personnel carrier complete with a turret-mounted .50-caliber belt-fed machine gun for its Special Response Team.
http://m.policemag.com/news/1564/s-c-sh ... achine-gun
A belt fed gun? Seems excessive what scenario would they ever use that in?


?? Cat in a tree??


Don't be effen' ridiculous - cat in a tree clearly calls for a flamethrower. Or maybe a grenade launcher.

Alternatively, they could use one of those non-tank ( :roll: ) battering rams to just take down the tree. This both solves the current problem (cat in tree) as well as any future problems (cat - or anyone else - in tree)... :twisted:



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Re: Obama: Time to review local police militarization

Postby Lumpy on Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:21 pm

jgalt wrote:
20mm wrote:Civilians should be able to own anything the police can. They should also be able to obtain the same military surplus.


Seems reasonable, since police are civilians...
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Re: Obama: Time to review local police militarization

Postby redaudi on Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:02 am

xd9 wrote:This ain't a tank??:
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Nope.

it's a tracked armored personnel carrier.

If we're going to be very deliberate with terminology, such as the difference between a magazine and a clip, or a suppressor vs a 'silencer', or a sporting rifle versus an assault rifle, then let's not play the game of using 'scary' terms for things.
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Re: Obama: Time to review local police militarization

Postby xd ED on Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:59 am

redaudi wrote:
xd9 wrote:This ain't a tank??:
Image


Nope.

it's a tracked armored personnel carrier.

If we're going to be very deliberate with terminology, such as the difference between a magazine and a clip, or a suppressor vs a 'silencer', or a sporting rifle versus an assault rifle, then let's not play the game of using 'scary' terms for things.


Not that the military would ever obfuscate using terminology, the point being it is military combat equipment now in the hands of a civilian police force.

That's not 'scary'?
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Re: Obama: Time to review local police militarization

Postby farmerj on Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:50 am

redaudi wrote:
xd9 wrote:This ain't a tank??:
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Nope.

it's a tracked armored personnel carrier.

If we're going to be very deliberate with terminology, such as the difference between a magazine and a clip, or a suppressor vs a 'silencer', or a sporting rifle versus an assault rifle, then let's not play the game of using 'scary' terms for things.



Not an armored personnel vehicle either. Totally different mission. Its a command track. Setup mainly for radio operations.
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