Stewartville man cited for school carry

View · by **dismal** on Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:16 am

Guy gotta learn to conceal better... :roll:

http://www.kttc.com/story/26604924/2014/09/23/a-stewartville-man-is-escorted-off-of-bonner-elementary-school-property-for-carrying-a-concealed-handgun

STEWARTVILLE, Minn. (KTTC) -- A Stewartville parent was cited on a weapons violation after he brought a concealed handgun on the grounds of Bonner Elementary School last Friday afternoon.

Sgt. Tom Claymon of the Olmsted County Sheriff's Office said the man was escorted off the school's property about 2:30 p.m. Friday. Claymon said the parent did have a permit for the concealed handgun, but all guns are prohibited on school property -- even with a permit.

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View · by **hornswaggle** on Tue Sep 23, 2014 12:19 pm

Sounds like he is either really stupid or was trying to get arrested.

View · by **Ghost** on Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:46 pm

I would like to know more info about what occurred. I feel like we don't have enough of the story to understand it.

View · by **Thunder71** on Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:52 pm

Parent carried into school, bus driver saw his 'concealed' gun and called the school. Dad was there to pick up his kid, got escorted out and the police were notified. Upon review of the evidence he was charged with a misdemeanor.

No victims, never were going to be any, just a useless law broken. The law does as much good as giving a sober person a DWI for having a case of beer in their car.

View · by **Ghost** on Tue Sep 23, 2014 3:07 pm

Thunder71 wrote:Parent carried into school, bus driver saw his 'concealed' gun and called the school. Dad was there to pick up his kid, got escorted out and the police were notified. Upon review of the evidence he was charged with a misdemeanor.

No victims, never were going to be any, just a useless law broken. The law does as much good as giving a sober person a DWI for having a case of beer in their car.

I don't believe it said he was in the school. Was he waiting in the parking lot or sitting in the lunch room? Was he on the sidewalk in front of the school? There's another thread where school carry is being discussed and knowing specifics might shed some light on it.

View · by **Thunder71** on Tue Sep 23, 2014 3:13 pm

Hard to get escorted out of something you're not in.

http://www.postbulletin.com/news/local/ ... aff02.html

View · by **Ghost** on Tue Sep 23, 2014 3:21 pm

Thunder71 wrote:Hard to get escorted out of something you're not in.

http://www.postbulletin.com/news/local/ ... aff02.html

The reports conflict one says off the property and yours says he took the gun into the school. Not very bright no matter what and especially if he took it into the school.

View · by **Thunder71** on Tue Sep 23, 2014 3:25 pm

Law enforcement wasn't involved or even contacted until after the incident was done and over, he was escorted out and contacted later on.

There are two separate incidents in the PB article.

View · by **jshuberg** on Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:32 pm

It might be a useless, victimless crime, but it is still a crime, and ridiculously not smart in a post Sandy Hook level of paranoia.

It didn't sound like the school wanted him arrested, just to leave the property while he was carrying. It sounded like the school acted reasonably. They could have overreacted and called for SWAT teams and hostage negotiators, but instead simply asked him to comply. The police charging him is likely politically motivated, to set an example for other parents to keep the law from being broken as a matter of policy.

I completely disagree with the underlying premise of the law, which is that responsible armed adults cannot be in proximity to children or schools for some reason. Given that the law does exist though, it seems like all parties acted reasonably after the parent was asked to leave. It could have been greatly overreacted to, and gone much worse than it did. Chances are, no students were even aware of it, when they could have been traumatized by going into an "active shooter" lockdown.

Overall not a smart move at all, but handled well by all parties.

View · by **dismal** on Wed Sep 24, 2014 7:49 am

KAAL TV talks with the father

http://www.kaaltv.com/article/stories/s3569103.shtml

View · by **jdege** on Wed Sep 24, 2014 2:41 pm

I know there are people who think that the parking lot provisions of Minn. Stat. 624.714 apply to school parking lots:

Subd. 17. Posting; trespass.
(c) The owner or operator of a private establishment may not prohibit the lawful carry or possession of firearms in a parking facility or parking area.

Subd. 18. Employers; public colleges and universities.
(c) Notwithstanding paragraphs (a) and (b), an employer or a postsecondary institution may not prohibit the lawful carry or possession of firearms in a parking facility or parking area.

But they don't. Carry in school parking lots is much more closely restricted, by Minn. Stat. 609.66:

Subd. 1d. Possession on school property; penalty.
(f) This subdivision does not apply to:
(3) persons authorized to carry a pistol under section 624.714 while in a motor vehicle or outside of a motor vehicle to directly place a firearm in, or retrieve it from, the trunk or rear area of the vehicle;

View · by **sigman** on Wed Sep 24, 2014 6:45 pm

I have been to Stewartville schools many times and I always put my firearm in the vehicle safe before entering. I live in Racine, MN. The children in Racine attend Stewartville schools and I have been very active in various school organizations. I am a member of the Racine City Council and we have joint meetings with the school board and Stewartville City Council. We have discussed school safety and I have addressed them on the negative impact of designating schools as "gun free zones." I was pleased to find that many agree with us on this matter. One school official, who I will not name, asked me how he could acquire a permit to carry, which is a very good sign. It saddens me to see an incident like this happen. I don't agree with the law, but we don't need fellow permit holders putting us in a bad light by ignoring it. (find it hard to believe he forgot he was carrying) :roll:

View · by **Ghost** on Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:20 pm

sigman wrote:(find it hard to believe he forgot he was carrying)

I'm guessing he only forgot once he got caught. Probably done it many times before. Concealed is concealed and all that until it's not.

View · by **jshuberg** on Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:59 pm

If you carry regularly for years, the only time you think about it is when putting it on or taking it off. I've actually fallen asleep on the couch wearing my carry piece because it's so normal to be wearing it. When I'm out and about, I don't think about my gun at all. I do think about my environment though, and take note of prohibited places.

I can completely understand the idea of "forgetting" that your carrying, but bells should have gone off in his head when he went to a prohibited location.

View · by **jschroeder** on Fri Sep 26, 2014 6:31 am

dismal wrote:KAAL TV talks with the father

http://www.kaaltv.com/article/stories/s3569103.shtml

From the article:

The Sheriff's Department says its waiting for the legal process to play out before deciding whether to take away Evan’s conceal-carry permit.

Permits will be revoked if you become a prohibited person, but does what he did put him in any of those categories? Permits can't be revoked just because the sheriff feels like it or doesn't like something you did.