I saw this launcher in Recoil the other day, I laughed because it is not my thing. Today, recoil ran a story that the ATF has taken issue with the device and considers it an SBR or an AOW.
http://www.recoilweb.com/breaking-can-c ... 73113.html
ATF doesn't like the new can launcher, uses NFA
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ATF doesn't like the new can launcher, uses NFA
by TooFewGuns on Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:14 pm
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Re: ATF doesn't like the new can launcher, uses NFA
by LarryFlew on Tue Sep 22, 2015 3:52 pm
There has been a golf ball and tennis ball launcher like that that threads onto an AR. Apparently adapters are fine but not a can launcher that can't even shoot real ammo.
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Re: ATF doesn't like the new can launcher, uses NFA
by linksep on Tue Sep 22, 2015 4:05 pm
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearms-g ... tion-rifle
Words have meanings. If they don't like the meanings of words written in the law then they need to change the law, not just make [excrement] up.
The term “Rifle” means a weapon [blah blah blah] fired from the shoulder and [blah blah blah] fire[s] only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger.
Words have meanings. If they don't like the meanings of words written in the law then they need to change the law, not just make [excrement] up.
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Re: ATF doesn't like the new can launcher, uses NFA
by crbutler on Tue Sep 22, 2015 5:34 pm
If you read it, think legally.
The lower is what is a rifle, legally, as it has the SN.
It's too short for a legal rifle, so it's an SBR on a rifle reciever.
It's too big, and smoothbore, so on a pistol it's an AOW.
If you put it on a board,it's not a gun. Unfortunately for those who want it, they designed it to be part of a gun... On an AR reciever without thinking that through.
The lower is what is a rifle, legally, as it has the SN.
It's too short for a legal rifle, so it's an SBR on a rifle reciever.
It's too big, and smoothbore, so on a pistol it's an AOW.
If you put it on a board,it's not a gun. Unfortunately for those who want it, they designed it to be part of a gun... On an AR reciever without thinking that through.
Re: ATF doesn't like the new can launcher, uses NFA
by yukonjasper on Tue Sep 22, 2015 5:45 pm
Their copy is silly, I can think of lots of ways to make this very dangerous. I'm not shocked.
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Re: ATF doesn't like the new can launcher, uses NFA
by linksep on Tue Sep 22, 2015 7:38 pm
Yep, I wasn't thinking like a bureaucrat. Luckily for the maker I would think all they have to do is weld a birdcage on the end of it.
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Re: ATF doesn't like the new can launcher, uses NFA
by Greg on Wed Sep 23, 2015 7:05 pm
Chances are that the manufacturer will just build it with a somewhat longer barrel; that'll take it out of the SBR catagory. It will probably increase it"s range a bit.
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Re: ATF doesn't like the new can launcher, uses NFA
by TooFewGuns on Thu Sep 24, 2015 12:48 pm
Greg wrote:Chances are that the manufacturer will just build it with a somewhat longer barrel; that'll take it out of the SBR catagory. It will probably increase it"s range a bit.
That is what separates it from the golf ball launchers.
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Re: ATF doesn't like the new can launcher, uses NFA
by TooFewGuns on Thu Sep 24, 2015 12:49 pm
Although, the weight of the can that far from your body would make it more difficult to handle.
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Re: ATF doesn't like the new can launcher, uses NFA
by Holland&Holland on Thu Sep 24, 2015 9:21 pm
crbutler wrote:If you read it, think legally.
The lower is what is a rifle, legally, as it has the SN.
It's too short for a legal rifle, so it's an SBR on a rifle reciever.
It's too big, and smoothbore, so on a pistol it's an AOW.
If you put it on a board,it's not a gun. Unfortunately for those who want it, they designed it to be part of a gun... On an AR reciever without thinking that through.
Since it is smooth bore on a rifle receiver would it not be a shortbarrelled shotgun
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Re: ATF doesn't like the new can launcher, uses NFA
by TooFewGuns on Fri Sep 25, 2015 8:16 am
One of the reports that I read said that it was an SBS with a stock and an AOW with a pistol lower.
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Re: ATF doesn't like the new can launcher, uses NFA
by crbutler on Fri Sep 25, 2015 2:40 pm
No, it's a rifle because the lower is a rifle. The lower becomes whatever it was first registered as. That is one of the issues with interchanging uppers on a AR. If you have a registered SBR lower and you put a longer upper on it, it's still a registered SBR, and all NFA stuff applies to it.
There is no such thing as a short barreled shotgun, that is a AOW.
There is no such thing as a short barreled shotgun, that is a AOW.
Re: ATF doesn't like the new can launcher, uses NFA
by Holland&Holland on Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:06 pm
crbutler wrote:No, it's a rifle because the lower is a rifle. The lower becomes whatever it was first registered as. That is one of the issues with interchanging uppers on a AR. If you have a registered SBR lower and you put a longer upper on it, it's still a registered SBR, and all NFA stuff applies to it.
There is no such thing as a short barreled shotgun, that is a AOW.
Well NFA uses the term SBS so... I would contend their is such an item not that their is such an item to be legally owned.
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Re: ATF doesn't like the new can launcher, uses NFA
by TooFewGuns on Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:41 pm
CR,
Here is one of many links on the ATF's site that talks about SBS. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/does-re ... n-or-short
Here is one of many links on the ATF's site that talks about SBS. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/does-re ... n-or-short
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Re: ATF doesn't like the new can launcher, uses NFA
by crbutler on Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:32 pm
If they changed something, maybe.
A shotgun is short barreled if the barrel is less than 18" (I think)...
A shotgun is short barreled with a certain length, but when I looked in to buying one, it was an AOW permit, and the local LE while ok with a C&R wanted nothing to do with an AOW. The Ithaca auto/burglar was the quintessesal short barreled shotgun. It is an AOW, like any pistol shotgun.
Maybe I should look into it again.
A shotgun is short barreled if the barrel is less than 18" (I think)...
A shotgun is short barreled with a certain length, but when I looked in to buying one, it was an AOW permit, and the local LE while ok with a C&R wanted nothing to do with an AOW. The Ithaca auto/burglar was the quintessesal short barreled shotgun. It is an AOW, like any pistol shotgun.
Maybe I should look into it again.
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