4 Men Charged in Minneapolis 4th Precinct Shooting

[Randygmn]

This is politically motivated garbage. Put another way, law abiding citizens with a PTC, looking to exercise their constitutional right to keep and bear arms is now discouraged from attending a protest to exercise another constitutional right of free speech. Those with an oppositional predisposition now must stay away for fear of being held criminally responsible should the need for self defense arise. The frustration I feel now is part of the backlash that put Trump in the White House. The Liberal Terrorists™ that are violently rampaging all over the country are in for a rude awakening.

[unfitmother]

If there is a demonstrations for a cause that one cares about*, and they want to carry, they shouldn't worry about being thrown in the same bag as Scarsella. He didn't care about the issue or occupation that was happening, he went as a racist agitator.

*National Socialist Movement rallies not included

[LumberZach]

It is such a shame that he is going to be plagued by this for the rest of his life. But he certainly didn't make it hard for them to convict him. Making a video, and countless text messages saying nothing more than how he wanted to kill. I can't say I blame the jury at all. I still wish this would have gone the other way though. Self defense is self defense.


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[Holland&Holland]

If there is a demonstrations for a cause that one cares about*, and they want to carry, they shouldn't worry about being thrown in the same bag as Scarsella. He didn't care about the issue or occupation that was happening, he went as a racist agitator.

*National Socialist Movement rallies not included

How many have been convicted for rioting in this same event? Maybe some have but I have not heard of any. Shutting down public though fares, eating up public resources, eliminating the ability for the precinct to operate, endangering thousands, throwing Molotov Cocktails, threatening law enforcement...

Did anyone have to pay? I am a citizen of this state, where is my justice for this unlawful act? Protests are peaceful, this was a criminal terroristic event.

I could care less about Scarsella, he is a d bag, but he did not start this event. When will we hold those folks responsible for their actions? Or is it if you claim you are doing it due to race you get a free pass?

[Sorcerer]

To be fair, it is Mpls/ Hennipen County. One of the things that was drilled into me in my 2 carry classes over and over was the " Unwilling participant" part of the law. I would think that as soon as he opened his mouth, he lost that protection under the law. We have free speech, but you will have to live with the consequences of that free speech. If he really wanted to mess with BLM he should have gone completely unarmed knowing he was going get an a@@ beating. Then he could of sead " look at the thugs". He's not that brave or noble.

[INOR]

I don't have a problem with his conviction at all. As far as I can tell, fully warranted. Hope he serves he max time.


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[yukonjasper]

This is politically motivated garbage. Put another way, law abiding citizens with a PTC, looking to exercise their constitutional right to keep and bear arms is now discouraged from attending a protest to exercise another constitutional right of free speech. Those with an oppositional predisposition now must stay away for fear of being held criminally responsible should the need for self defense arise. The frustration I feel now is part of the backlash that put Trump in the White House. The Liberal Terrorists™ that are violently rampaging all over the country are in for a rude awakening.

Sorry, I don't buy it. I don't know how you can say that with a straight face - the evidence appears to support that this individual went to the protests to agitate and disrupt - he did so with an expectation that they would encounter trouble because they knew they would be stirring up trouble. Your "reluctant participant" argument diminishes with every action you make that puts you closer to a volatile situation while armed. The sort of "cowboy" mentality displayed in this case is the very thing that PTC are accused of and this Jackass just went ahead and gave them a real life example. Congratulations to the morons who loaded up to head to that trouble zone - you failed and now you will feel the consequences. I don't want these *********** getting on the stand at their trials and spouting a bunch of ******** about their 2nd Amendment rights - please get off my side - you aren't helping.

[unfitmother]

If there is a demonstrations for a cause that one cares about*, and they want to carry, they shouldn't worry about being thrown in the same bag as Scarsella. He didn't care about the issue or occupation that was happening, he went as a racist agitator.

*National Socialist Movement rallies not included

How many have been convicted for rioting in this same event? Maybe some have but I have not heard of any. Shutting down public though fares, eating up public resources, eliminating the ability for the precinct to operate, endangering thousands, throwing Molotov Cocktails, threatening law enforcement...

Did anyone have to pay? I am a citizen of this state, where is my justice for this unlawful act? Protests are peaceful, this was a criminal terroristic event.

I could care less about Scarsella, he is a d bag, but he did not start this event. When will we hold those folks responsible for their actions? Or is it if you claim you are doing it due to race you get a free pass?

Nice straw man. I was not condoning the tactics of the BLM and comrades (though I do think the police treating black lives as dispensable is an issue).

Go check the news, there have been some bills introduced recently that deal with what you're talking about. And then please start a separate thread about it.

[Holland&Holland]

If there is a demonstrations for a cause that one cares about*, and they want to carry, they shouldn't worry about being thrown in the same bag as Scarsella. He didn't care about the issue or occupation that was happening, he went as a racist agitator.

*National Socialist Movement rallies not included

How many have been convicted for rioting in this same event? Maybe some have but I have not heard of any. Shutting down public though fares, eating up public resources, eliminating the ability for the precinct to operate, endangering thousands, throwing Molotov Cocktails, threatening law enforcement...

Did anyone have to pay? I am a citizen of this state, where is my justice for this unlawful act? Protests are peaceful, this was a criminal terroristic event.

I could care less about Scarsella, he is a d bag, but he did not start this event. When will we hold those folks responsible for their actions? Or is it if you claim you are doing it due to race you get a free pass?

Nice straw man. I was not condoning the tactics of the BLM and comrades (though I do think the police treating black lives as dispensable is an issue).

Go check the news, there have been some bills introduced recently that deal with what you're talking about. And then please start a separate thread about it.

How is this a straw man? And if you want a separate thread then go ahead and do that. I see the issue as very related. Yes there are bills introduced but they are not likely to go anywhere and it appears there is a lack of willingness to enforce the laws that already exist.

[BigDog58]

Just going to throw this out here to see if I get the picture correctly (have not followed the case)

BLM puts on Demonstration March which is exercising their 1st Amendment Rights.

White guys go down to Counter Demonstrate, and exercise their 1st Amendment Rights.

White guys (not the smartest on the block) are attacked, defend themselves and are charged with crime? BLM are not charged for Assault?

I would believe that Discretion would have been warranted by the DumbA$$'s but don't they have the same right to Counter Demonstrate and not be attacked?

As I said, I have not paid much attention to this, so if someone see's me going astray of the issue, by all means enlighten me.

[xd ED]

BLM puts on Demonstration March which is exercising their 1st Amendment Rights.

It was more of a 2 week occupation/ riot on the property of the Mpls Police 4th Precinct, and the streets around the bldg.
Never heard a total of damages/ costs...well into the millions, I suspect...not sure if anyone was arrested/ charged...

[Rodentman]

Don't tell me that they threw out a perfectly good pizza. Shameful.

[LumberZach]

Just going to throw this out here to see if I get the picture correctly (have not followed the case)

BLM puts on Demonstration March which is exercising their 1st Amendment Rights.

White guys go down to Counter Demonstrate, and exercise their 1st Amendment Rights.

White guys (not the smartest on the block) are attacked, defend themselves and are charged with crime? BLM are not charged for Assault?

I would believe that Discretion would have been warranted by the DumbA$$'s but don't they have the same right to Counter Demonstrate and not be attacked?

As I said, I have not paid much attention to this, so if someone see's me going astray of the issue, by all means enlighten me.

Had that been all there is, I would agree. However, the guy basically made a video and sent countless text messages talking about how he wanted to kill black people. It's hard to disagree with the verdict when he they prove A) he wanted to kill black people B)went to a rally to cause problems C) shot 5 black people.
Self defense is one thing, but having a history of racism turns this whole issue around.


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[ex-LT]

Don't tell me that they threw out a perfectly good pizza. Shameful.

Based on the picture, it looks like Little Caesar's. I don't think that qualifies as "a perfectly good pizza."

[LePetomane]

XDEd, Thanks for posting these pictures. These leftists are disgusting pigs. They want to preach civility and respect yet they show none themselves. Black Lies Matter is run by a bunch of thugs with their puppet master pulling the strings. We don't have these thugs here in Idaho. C'mon out !!!!!!!!!!!!!!