Obama Expected to Close Gun Show Loophole by Executive Order

[LarryP]

Here it comes -

http://www.vnews.com/news/nation/world/ ... tive-order

[Bearcatrp]

It will get challenged and shot down as usual. It doesn't bother me to fill out paperwork to buy a gun but how will they make private party sales do a back ground check? No cost from a store so will there be a charge (probably premium) for individual sales? Can't wait to get the fu%$tard democrats out of the white house!

[jdege]

What bothers me is creating a situation in which simple possession of a firearm is illegal, unless you possess the proper paperwork.

Don't be fooled - as soon as we have a legal requirement that every transfer create a paper trail, possession of any firearm manufactured after the date the requirement becomes in force will be illegal, unless you can demonstrate that the proper paperwork exists.

And I've seen the government screw up paperwork far too often to consider that acceptable.

[MJY65]

It will get challenged and shot down as usual. It doesn't bother me to fill out paperwork to buy a gun but how will they make private party sales do a back ground check?

Probably can't enforce it between individuals that already know each other, but classifieds, etc would be finished.

[photogpat]

What bothers me is creating a situation in which simple possession of a firearm is illegal, unless you possess the proper paperwork.

Don't be fooled - as soon as we have a legal requirement that every transfer create a paper trail, possession of any firearm manufactured after the date the requirement becomes in force will be illegal, unless you can demonstrate that the proper paperwork exists.

And I've seen the government screw up paperwork far too often to consider that acceptable.

^this

It won't be the Government with the responsibility to prove you're in the wrong. It'll be your responsibility to prove you're in the right.

[jdege]

What bothers me is creating a situation in which simple possession of a firearm is illegal, unless you possess the proper paperwork.

Don't be fooled - as soon as we have a legal requirement that every transfer create a paper trail, possession of any firearm manufactured after the date the requirement becomes in force will be illegal, unless you can demonstrate that the proper paperwork exists.

And I've seen the government screw up paperwork far too often to consider that acceptable.

^this

It won't be the Government with the responsibility to prove you're in the wrong. It'll be your responsibility to prove you're in the right.

Exactly. It reverses the presumption of innocence.

[Lumpy]

We went through this with the BATFE "expanding the definition" of what types of ammunition were to be considered armor-penetrating.

Neat! If you don't have the authority to do something, just "expand the definition" of something current laws enforce. For example, they could expand the definition of "school bus" to include my Ferrari.

Back in the 18th century, the British authorities got pissed with colonial smugglers evading duties on imports. So the Stamp Act was passed: if any imported item didn't have the official stamp proving the duty had been paid, it was ipso facto illegal. Moreover, British customs agents were given carte blanche authority to kick in the door and search any place they believed smuggled goods were. This among other things led to a bit of kerfuffle beginning in 1776.

[2in2out]

There's no way to make that (background check for private party sales) enforceable (without registration of all guns), which is why nobody has been stupid enough to try (until now).

[hammAR]

I suppose that some expect congress to stop this................

[LarryP]

Yup, it's starting small steps,small steps

There's no way to make that (background check for private party sales) enforceable (without registration of all guns), which is why nobody has been stupid enough to try (until now).

[LePetomane]

There's no way to make that (background check for private party sales) enforceable (without registration of all guns), which is why nobody has been stupid enough to try (until now).

Actually the Nazis did and look what happened.

[goalie]

I suppose that some expect congress to stop this................

Yeah, I'll hold my breath.

[george]

It's beginning to look like Obama wants to go out as the president who can bypass congress whenever he wants.
Going to be a long year. ..

[Bearcatrp]

Should be the president who goes to jail for breaking the law. But because it will look bad on us, they won't bother. He has to be one of the worst presidents in US history.

[Holland&Holland]

Link does not work. Did he sign this order?