Hmac wrote:LumberZach wrote:You keep coming back to this training argument, but I do not accept that. The fact is this: it is a public place just like any other. Permit holders are not causing problems in any other public place despite your lack of training argument. Carry should be allowed just like any other public place.
LOL. I'm sorry for your struggles. I'm certain that I can't help you to accept it.
Your derision in no way invalidates Zach's point. Why do you think that carrying at an event venue should require additional training beyond that required to carry anywhere else in public? Is there something that's fundamentally different about that space in terms of how a person carrying a firearm would have to conduct themselves than, say, a crowded sidewalk? They're both large, potentially chaotic spaces with tons of people and things that don't need/deserve shooting.
Reversing things, why do you think that an off-duty police officer's "superior training" vs the average citizen should grant enhanced privilege at a sporting event? Where's the line of "enough training" to qualify for that privilege, especially given that each LEA has its own unique training and qualifications?
Further, there's training and then there's practice. I feel like it's pretty easy to see that a theoretical USPSA/IDPA competitor who has zero formal training but attends a match every week would get more practice and more draw/present/shoot reps in any given period of time than a theoretical police officer who only does the qualifications required by their department. Both carry permit holders and cops run the gamut in shooting skill from weak/barely adequate to highly skilled. Cops might be more skilled as an
average, but the idea you seem to be pushing, that all police officers are at a higher skill level than all permit-holders, is ridiculous.
Beyond that, sure, cops have specific threats in their lives. So do plenty of permit-holders - for many of them, that's why they bothered to get a permit in the first place! If this is purely about a need for self-defense, then the people pushing the idea that off-duty police officers should be allowed to carry basically everywhere
should be pushing for both off-duty police officers
and permit-holders to be allowed to carry basically everywhere.