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Are We Experiencing Peak Gun Rights?

Postby jdege on Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:36 pm

Are We Experiencing Peak Gun Rights?
A look into a more restrictionist future for the Second Amendment.
http://reason.com/archives/2018/03/02/are-we-experiencing-peak-gun-rights?utm_medium=email
We may have reached peak gun rights.

History could very well record that in the modern era, the Second Amendment received its most generous reading in 2010 when the U.S. Supreme Court decided its last major case, and that gun rights have been declining ever since.

This prospect is as worrisome for anyone who takes an expansive view of the Second Amendment as it must be exhilarating for anti-gun advocates.


Not if I had anything to say about it.

I don't like Trump, and I'm pissed as hell at the GOP, but I am not going to see that witch in the Speaker's chair, without doing averting I can to prevent it.
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Re: Are We Experiencing Peak Gun Rights?

Postby xd ED on Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:54 pm

jdege wrote:Are We Experiencing Peak Gun Rights?
A look into a more restrictionist future for the Second Amendment.
http://reason.com/archives/2018/03/02/are-we-experiencing-peak-gun-rights?utm_medium=email
We may have reached peak gun rights.

History could very well record that in the modern era, the Second Amendment received its most generous reading in 2010 when the U.S. Supreme Court decided its last major case, and that gun rights have been declining ever since.

This prospect is as worrisome for anyone who takes an expansive view of the Second Amendment as it must be exhilarating for anti-gun advocates.


Not if I had anything to say about it.

I don't like Trump, and I'm pissed as hell at the GOP, but I am not going to see that witch in the Speaker's chair, without doing averting I can to prevent it.


I can see this.
Unless something happens in American society to reverse the trend towards urbanization, and we return to a country that teaches personal responsibility, and champions independence, more and more liberties will be taken by urban leftists.
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Re: Are We Experiencing Peak Gun Rights?

Postby LarryP on Fri Mar 02, 2018 6:21 pm

You can't have a one world gov't when we are armed. It's just a matter of time before they take all the guns.
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Re: Are We Experiencing Peak Gun Rights?

Postby jdege on Fri Mar 02, 2018 6:24 pm

LarryP wrote:You can't have a one world gov't when we are armed. It's just a matter of time before they take all the guns.

There is no place in the world where they've taken all the guns.
All they've done is make them illegal.
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Re: Are We Experiencing Peak Gun Rights?

Postby Holland&Holland on Fri Mar 02, 2018 6:46 pm

jdege wrote:
LarryP wrote:You can't have a one world gov't when we are armed. It's just a matter of time before they take all the guns.

There is no place in the world where they've taken all the guns.
All they've done is make them illegal.


I think what he means is take all the guns from the law abiding good citizens and give them to the thugs, killers, and drug dealers. You know like the ATF has an actual program for.
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Re: Are We Experiencing Peak Gun Rights?

Postby xd ED on Fri Mar 02, 2018 6:53 pm

jdege wrote:
LarryP wrote:You can't have a one world gov't when we are armed. It's just a matter of time before they take all the guns.

There is no place in the world where they've taken all the guns.
All they've done is make them illegal.


There are people who lived in 1930s-40s Europe who might argue with you on that.
The guy with the odd mustache, and a plan for a one world govt disarmed most of western Europe.
Well to be fair, he offered a choice: 'give us your guns and ammo, or we'll execute you'.
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Re: Are We Experiencing Peak Gun Rights?

Postby Sorcerer on Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:19 pm

Somalia war lords/ United States war lords. Sounds not very inviting .
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Re: Are We Experiencing Peak Gun Rights?

Postby Bearcatrp on Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:26 pm

Holland&Holland wrote:
jdege wrote:
LarryP wrote:You can't have a one world gov't when we are armed. It's just a matter of time before they take all the guns.

There is no place in the world where they've taken all the guns.
All they've done is make them illegal.


I think what he means is take all the guns from the law abiding good citizens and give them to the thugs, killers, and drug dealers. You know like the ATF has an actual program for.

Eric holder sure helped on that front. Nothing like leaving us peasants vulnerable to the scum to keep us in fear! Great way to authorize more police to have them on each corner.
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Re: Are We Experiencing Peak Gun Rights?

Postby Holland&Holland on Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:29 pm

xd ED wrote:
jdege wrote:
LarryP wrote:You can't have a one world gov't when we are armed. It's just a matter of time before they take all the guns.

There is no place in the world where they've taken all the guns.
All they've done is make them illegal.


There are people who lived in 1930s-40s Europe who might argue with you on that.
The guy with the odd mustache, and a plan for a one world govt disarmed most of western Europe.
Well to be fair, he offered a choice: 'give us your guns and ammo, or we'll execute you'.


That tends to be a convincing argument. Though if my history lesson serves me correctly, by the time anyone thought to resist, too many had already volunteered to give up their arms.
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Re: Are We Experiencing Peak Gun Rights?

Postby xd ED on Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:09 pm

Holland&Holland wrote:
That tends to be a convincing argument. Though if my history lesson serves me correctly, by the time anyone thought to resist, too many had already volunteered to give up their arms.


I'm no expert, but I do have an interest in that history, as I lived in a small German town that eventually had a concentration camp established in their midst.

For the Germans, gun control came with their WWI defeat, as a condition of the armistice. (coincidentally, the reason the world's best air rifles were designed in Germany, as they were allowed)

Even later, the pre- hitler German Weimar Regime maintained strict gun control

Post WWI Germany was an economic disaster.
My speculation is that most who might have somehow owned guns, and could not hunt to sustain themselves, likely had long before traded them away for necessities.

While firearms ownership in Germany was generally prohibited, and minimal, it actually increased, once the Nazis were in power, as gun ownership was allowed for some party members.
Some estimated there were 10% of the population supporting national socialism, and it is suspected 1/2 of that support was pragmatic- for reasons of safety, and economics, etc

Most people had been simply attempting to survive, and feed themselves to be politically involved, but the Nazis were highly motivated and anti-semitism, nationalism did resonate with some due to the state of destitution
I'm sure fear, and indifference played a role, as well.
Politically, things were subtle, and incremental until the critical mass was achieved.
Once the regime was in place, it was pretty much over for the will of the people

Where there was wholesale gun confiscation was following the German invasions of the non-German countries, and it was at gun point.
An acquaintance from Sweden, recalls his Grandfathers house being searched, and the family's revolvers confiscated by German troops.
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Re: Are We Experiencing Peak Gun Rights?

Postby 2in2out on Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:25 pm

xd ED wrote:
Holland&Holland wrote:
That tends to be a convincing argument. Though if my history lesson serves me correctly, by the time anyone thought to resist, too many had already volunteered to give up their arms.


I'm no expert, but I do have an interest in that history, as I lived in a small German town that eventually had a concentration camp established in their midst.

For the Germans, gun control came with their WWI defeat, as a condition of the armistice. (coincidentally, the reason the world's best air rifles were designed in Germany, as they were allowed)

Even later, the pre- hitler German Weimar Regime maintained strict gun control

Post WWI Germany was an economic disaster.
My speculation is that most who might have somehow owned guns, and could not hunt to sustain themselves, likely had long before traded them away for necessities.

While firearms ownership in Germany was generally prohibited, and minimal, it actually increased, once the Nazis were in power, as gun ownership was allowed for some party members.
Some estimated there were 10% of the population supporting national socialism, and it is suspected 1/2 of that support was pragmatic- for reasons of safety, and economics, etc

Most people had been simply attempting to survive, and feed themselves to be politically involved, but the Nazis were highly motivated and anti-semitism, nationalism did resonate with some due to the state of destitution
I'm sure fear, and indifference played a role, as well.
Politically, things were subtle, and incremental until the critical mass was achieved.
Once the regime was in place, it was pretty much over for the will of the people

Where there was wholesale gun confiscation was following the German invasions of the non-German countries, and it was at gun point.
An acquaintance from Sweden, recalls his Grandfathers house being searched, and the family's revolvers confiscated by German troops.


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Re: Are We Experiencing Peak Gun Rights?

Postby Holland&Holland on Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:20 am

xd ED wrote:
Holland&Holland wrote:
That tends to be a convincing argument. Though if my history lesson serves me correctly, by the time anyone thought to resist, too many had already volunteered to give up their arms.


I'm no expert, but I do have an interest in that history, as I lived in a small German town that eventually had a concentration camp established in their midst.

For the Germans, gun control came with their WWI defeat, as a condition of the armistice. (coincidentally, the reason the world's best air rifles were designed in Germany, as they were allowed)

Even later, the pre- hitler German Weimar Regime maintained strict gun control

Post WWI Germany was an economic disaster.
My speculation is that most who might have somehow owned guns, and could not hunt to sustain themselves, likely had long before traded them away for necessities.

While firearms ownership in Germany was generally prohibited, and minimal, it actually increased, once the Nazis were in power, as gun ownership was allowed for some party members.
Some estimated there were 10% of the population supporting national socialism, and it is suspected 1/2 of that support was pragmatic- for reasons of safety, and economics, etc

Most people had been simply attempting to survive, and feed themselves to be politically involved, but the Nazis were highly motivated and anti-semitism, nationalism did resonate with some due to the state of destitution
I'm sure fear, and indifference played a role, as well.
Politically, things were subtle, and incremental until the critical mass was achieved.
Once the regime was in place, it was pretty much over for the will of the people

Where there was wholesale gun confiscation was following the German invasions of the non-German countries, and it was at gun point.
An acquaintance from Sweden, recalls his Grandfathers house being searched, and the family's revolvers confiscated by German troops.


Interestingly enough, on a trip to DC I visited several museums on the mall. It was not until the Holocaust museum whose tagline is "never again" when my pocket knife had to be surrendered to security for disposal.

I fear many have already forgotten the lessons of the past.
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Re: Are We Experiencing Peak Gun Rights?

Postby Ghost on Sat Mar 03, 2018 6:01 am

Holland&Holland wrote:
xd ED wrote:
Holland&Holland wrote:
That tends to be a convincing argument. Though if my history lesson serves me correctly, by the time anyone thought to resist, too many had already volunteered to give up their arms.


I'm no expert, but I do have an interest in that history, as I lived in a small German town that eventually had a concentration camp established in their midst.

For the Germans, gun control came with their WWI defeat, as a condition of the armistice. (coincidentally, the reason the world's best air rifles were designed in Germany, as they were allowed)

Even later, the pre- hitler German Weimar Regime maintained strict gun control

Post WWI Germany was an economic disaster.
My speculation is that most who might have somehow owned guns, and could not hunt to sustain themselves, likely had long before traded them away for necessities.

While firearms ownership in Germany was generally prohibited, and minimal, it actually increased, once the Nazis were in power, as gun ownership was allowed for some party members.
Some estimated there were 10% of the population supporting national socialism, and it is suspected 1/2 of that support was pragmatic- for reasons of safety, and economics, etc

Most people had been simply attempting to survive, and feed themselves to be politically involved, but the Nazis were highly motivated and anti-semitism, nationalism did resonate with some due to the state of destitution
I'm sure fear, and indifference played a role, as well.
Politically, things were subtle, and incremental until the critical mass was achieved.
Once the regime was in place, it was pretty much over for the will of the people

Where there was wholesale gun confiscation was following the German invasions of the non-German countries, and it was at gun point.
An acquaintance from Sweden, recalls his Grandfathers house being searched, and the family's revolvers confiscated by German troops.


Interestingly enough, on a trip to DC I visited several museums on the mall. It was not until the Holocaust museum whose tagline is "never again" when my pocket knife had to be surrendered to security for disposal.

I fear many have already forgotten the lessons of the past.

It’s a very eerie feeling to tour the concentration camps in Europe, I strongly recommend it.

I lost a knife to security at the Statue of Liberty. Apparently it wasn’t “New York” legal anyway.
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Re: Are We Experiencing Peak Gun Rights?

Postby Holland&Holland on Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:44 am

I actually found NY city slightly less anti weapon than I expected. Went to multiple attractions where you had to go through metal detectors and each time they asked me to check my pocket knife with them and I received it back at the end of the visit. Not endorsing that just expected to lose it like DC and did not.
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Re: Are We Experiencing Peak Gun Rights?

Postby Ghost on Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:57 am

Holland&Holland wrote:I actually found NY city slightly less anti weapon than I expected. Went to multiple attractions where you had to go through metal detectors and each time they asked me to check my pocket knife with them and I received it back at the end of the visit. Not endorsing that just expected to lose it like DC and did not.

I didn’t care it was a free Gerber that I through in the cart to get free shipping. Had it been my Benchmade I’d have cared. I carried it for almost a week without issue.
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