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Jacksonville Shooting

Postby Grayskies on Mon Aug 27, 2018 2:51 pm

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Re: Jacksonville Shooting

Postby Ghost on Mon Aug 27, 2018 3:12 pm

:o <——— my sarcastic shocked face
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Re: Jacksonville Shooting

Postby Grayskies on Mon Aug 27, 2018 3:46 pm

News is saying he had been in a mental hospital on anti-psychotics and anti-depressants.
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Re: Jacksonville Shooting

Postby MJY65 on Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:04 pm

^^^^^

The anti-psychotics are a serious problem. I wonder if he had stopped taking them.
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Re: Jacksonville Shooting

Postby jdege on Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:30 pm

Gamer purchased gun used in tournament rampage legally
Gunman David Katz, 24, legally bought the two handguns — a .45-caliber and a .9mm — in his hometown of Baltimore, Md. earlier this month and affixed an after-market laser sight to one of the weapons, officials said.
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Re: Jacksonville Shooting

Postby Grayskies on Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:25 pm

jdege wrote:Gamer purchased gun used in tournament rampage legally
Gunman David Katz, 24, legally bought the two handguns — a .45-caliber and a .9mm — in his hometown of Baltimore, Md. earlier this month and affixed an after-market laser sight to one of the weapons, officials said.

This seems more like it was planned and less like he lost and raged.

In any event, this is just more proof that gun free zones do not stop those intent on shooting others. The victims should sue as the gun free zone designation made it impossible for the victims to protect themselves.
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Re: Jacksonville Shooting

Postby Grayskies on Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:35 am

Leftists Push Gun Control After Florida Shooting. Then Facts Come Out.

Maryland has strict gun laws and the process for buying a handgun is complicated. A buyer must be fingerprinted with the Maryland State Police (MSP), must submit an application to MSP to receive a Handgun Qualification License (HQL card), must take a firearms safety course, must verify their HQL card to an FFL dealer, submit an ATF background check, and wait seven days before they're able to purchase a single handgun.

A recent study from the CATO Institute ranked Maryland as the 46th worst state for gun rights — with only Massachusetts, New Jersey, California, and Hawaii ranking as more hostile states for gun owners.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/35048/le ... n-saavedra

Lots of good info, worth the read.
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Re: Jacksonville Shooting

Postby Ghost on Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:11 am

Crazies gonna crazy
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Postby yukonjasper on Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:33 am

I think the majority in the left will see it/paint it as a failure of gun control measures. "All the common sense regulation won't stop this sort of slaughter" so the only solution is to take guns out of circulation. They will twist the narrative to whatever gets them to the point they want to make.

The seemingly taboo subject of mental health is the biggest barrier. Mental health breakdown is what we in the gun community want to crow about but any mention of restrictions based on mental health records or pharmacy logs are immediately shot down.

I think the proliferation of psychoactive drugs and drugs in general are an issue. I wish those who oppose using psychiatric drugs and history would be honest and admit their opposition comes from a very personal place
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Re: Jacksonville Shooting

Postby Grayskies on Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:08 pm

yukonjasper wrote:I think the majority in the left will see it/paint it as a failure of gun control measures. "All the common sense regulation won't stop this sort of slaughter" so the only solution is to take guns out of circulation. They will twist the narrative to whatever gets them to the point they want to make.

The seemingly taboo subject of mental health is the biggest barrier. Mental health breakdown is what we in the gun community want to crow about but any mention of restrictions based on mental health records or pharmacy logs are immediately shot down.

I think the proliferation of psychoactive drugs and drugs in general are an issue. I wish those who oppose using psychiatric drugs and history would be honest and admit their opposition comes from a very personal place

You want to be really careful with mental health limitations beyond adjudicated a danger to self or others. Do you really want people stripped of constitutional rights based on what some doctor might think? How about that you where on a medication that has mental health effects?

Two years ago I started a blood pressure med that was also prescribed for mental health (side effects were too bad), should I lose a constitutional right for that?

If this becomes a thing I am quite sure the left will get gun ownership added to the DSM to strip a constitutional right from people.
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Re: Jacksonville Shooting

Postby Ghost on Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:24 pm

had people reported this guy to the FBI like so many ignored killers before him?
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Re: Jacksonville Shooting

Postby Grayskies on Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:40 pm

Ghost wrote:had people reported this guy to the FBI like so many ignored killers before him?

We saw how well reporting worked in parkland...
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Re: Jacksonville Shooting

Postby Ghost on Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:54 pm

Grayskies wrote:
Ghost wrote:had people reported this guy to the FBI like so many ignored killers before him?

We saw how well reporting worked in parkland...

Agreed and I think taking rights away is a legal act and not medical.
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Re: Jacksonville Shooting

Postby Grayskies on Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:03 pm

Ghost wrote:
Grayskies wrote:
Ghost wrote:had people reported this guy to the FBI like so many ignored killers before him?

We saw how well reporting worked in parkland...

Agreed and I think taking rights away is a legal act and not medical.

Agreed.
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Re: Jacksonville Shooting

Postby yukonjasper on Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:42 pm

I don't disagree, but I think that is a vulnerability that no one is addressing. Between the "see, all the restrictions still can't stop the violence, we have to ban and confiscate " and " crazy people do crazy things, but not with guns because they aren't sold anywhere so we are safe" angles, where do you go with that.

Clearly the anti-gun lobby isn't going away anytime soon, so what's the plan when they start down either of those roads? They are building a hydra of circular arguments and the pro gun side just keeps pointing at the 2nd Amendment like it's untouchable. Look at the laws already on the books and tell me that pure language of the 2nd Amendment is alive and well.
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