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Most Americans incorrectly think gun-murder rates have risen

Postby Ghost on Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:36 am

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/02/14/most-americans-incorrectly-think-gun-homicides-have-gotten-worse-not-better/?utm_term=.a5474b0787ae

Lots of graphs and data here so I recommend clicking the link.

There was, as Trump has noted, an uptick in firearm murders beginning in 2015, with an increased percentage of murders being committed with firearms. But in 2017, the most recent year for which data are available, the total number of firearm murders was 10,982, compared with 16,136 in 1994.

But remember, too, that the question asked about the murder rate — that is, the number of murders as a function of the population. In that regard, the drop is even steeper. In 1994, the FBI data suggest a rate of about 6.2 firearm murders per 100,000 people. In 2017, the rate was 3.38 murders, up from the 2014 low in which the rate was less than half of that in 1994.

In other words, gun homicides have dropped substantially over the past 25 years — but most Americans believe the opposite to be true. Why? Perhaps in part because of the media focus on multiple-victim shooting incidents in recent years. Perhaps, too, because of the number and deadliness of those incidents. We’ve noted before that the number of fatalities in major mass-shooting incidents has increased dramatically in recent years; it’s possible that people are conflating increases in frequency and deadliness of mass shootings with the United States getting more dangerous generally.

It’s hard not to assume that this influences the politics of the gun debate. Democrats are both much more likely to support new gun restrictions and to believe that the rate of gun murders is higher than it was in 1994, a year that was near the peak of violent crime in recorded U.S. history. Does the latter inform the former?

The good news is that gun homicides are down substantially both as a raw total and as a function of population since 1994. The bad news is that many Americans don’t seem to realize that.

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Re: Most Americans incorrectly think gun-murder rates have risen

Postby Holland&Holland on Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:41 am

Most people are idiots.
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Re: Most Americans incorrectly think gun-murder rates have risen

Postby Tronster on Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:22 pm

Holland&Holland wrote:Most people are idiots.

Most people do not seek out real data regarding guns, violent crime, or homicide rates. They just regurgitate what the mass media tells them.
But they looooove to gorge themselves on shallow celebrity drama, or obsess over sports teams that have virtually no influence on their own lives.
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Re: Most Americans incorrectly think gun-murder rates have risen

Postby Holland&Holland on Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:47 pm

Tronster wrote:
Holland&Holland wrote:Most people are idiots.

Most people do not seek out real data regarding guns, violent crime, or homicide rates. They just regurgitate what the mass media tells them.
But they looooove to gorge themselves on shallow celebrity drama, or obsess over sports teams that have virtually no influence on their own lives.


Like the Browns?
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Re: Most Americans incorrectly think gun-murder rates have risen

Postby Ghost on Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:48 pm

Holland&Holland wrote:Like the Browns?

I believe I understand that reference.
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Re: Most Americans incorrectly think gun-murder rates have risen

Postby Holland&Holland on Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:52 pm

Ghost wrote:
Holland&Holland wrote:Like the Browns?

I believe I understand that reference.


Shhhh… if we say it too loud he will reappear. :twisted:
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Re: Most Americans incorrectly think gun-murder rates have risen

Postby jdege on Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:12 pm

Holland&Holland wrote:Most people are idiots.

If they weren't, they'd see the correlation between the drop in violent crime and the increase in lawful civilian carry and draw the correct conclusions.
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Re: Most Americans incorrectly think gun-murder rates have risen

Postby Ghost on Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:08 pm

jdege wrote:
Holland&Holland wrote:Most people are idiots.

If they weren't, they'd see the correlation between the drop in violent crime and the increase in lawful civilian carry and draw the correct conclusions.

Or they may correlate it to the rise in CSI shows on television and assume that since it's so easy to catch criminals they decided to go get jobs at McD's, the DFL or other transitional type work.
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Re: Most Americans incorrectly think gun-murder rates have risen

Postby Jackpine Savage on Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:31 pm

Another amazing statistic is how far accidental gun deaths have fallen from the 1900's. The measure of real gun safety.



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Between 1945 (the earliest figure available for per capita firearms, Kleck) to 2014 ( the latest figure, using BATFE numbers and Kleck’s methodology), the number of per capita firearms has risen from .351 to 1.176. That is more than a three-fold increase.

During the same period, the per capita rate of fatal firearm accidents has declined from 1.84 per 100,000 to .15 per 100,000, over a 91% drop. Using the earliest number in 1933, the drop has been nearly 94%.
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More at link: https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/02/dean-weingarten/fatal-firearms-accident-rate-reaches-record-low/
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Re: Most Americans incorrectly think gun-murder rates have risen

Postby Holland&Holland on Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:38 pm

Jackpine Savage wrote:Another amazing statistic is how far accidental gun deaths have fallen from the 1900's. The measure of real gun safety.



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Between 1945 (the earliest figure available for per capita firearms, Kleck) to 2014 ( the latest figure, using BATFE numbers and Kleck’s methodology), the number of per capita firearms has risen from .351 to 1.176. That is more than a three-fold increase.

During the same period, the per capita rate of fatal firearm accidents has declined from 1.84 per 100,000 to .15 per 100,000, over a 91% drop. Using the earliest number in 1933, the drop has been nearly 94%.
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More at link: https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/02/dean-weingarten/fatal-firearms-accident-rate-reaches-record-low/


Wait, I thought we needed to get rid of the glocks and go back to "child safe" revolvers?
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