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Swiss support for gun ownership faces crucial test

Postby jdege on Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:35 pm

https://www.thelocal.ch/20190403/swiss-love-of-guns-to-be-tested-in-upcoming-referendum
Swiss support for gun ownership faces crucial test
Brussels called on the Swiss government to amend its gun laws to make them compatible with EU restrictions tightened following the 2015 Paris attacks.

Swiss lawmakers approved reforms that the EU has deemed sufficient.

But that prompted a fierce pushback by members of the right-wing Swiss People's Party (SVP), which has gathered enough signatures to force a referendum on the measures next month.


I think we'll all be interested to see the results.
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Re: Swiss support for gun ownership faces crucial test

Postby Holland&Holland on Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:25 pm

Time to finally pick a side Switzerland.
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Re: Swiss support for gun ownership faces crucial test

Postby Rip Van Winkle on Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:02 am

The EU laws, aimed at fighting terrorism, restrict certain types of guns, such as semi-automatic weapons and firearms with high-capacity magazines.

The Swiss government has said that after securing compromises from Brussels it adopted a reform package that both addresses EU concerns and safeguards national traditions.

Interesting. I wonder what the "compromise" was.
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Re: Swiss support for gun ownership faces crucial test

Postby jdege on Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:31 pm

Rip Van Winkle wrote:
The EU laws, aimed at fighting terrorism, restrict certain types of guns, such as semi-automatic weapons and firearms with high-capacity magazines.

The Swiss government has said that after securing compromises from Brussels it adopted a reform package that both addresses EU concerns and safeguards national traditions.

Interesting. I wonder what the "compromise" was.


https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/parliament_compromise-on-eu-weapons-regulations-wins-approval/44410208
Compromise on EU weapons regulations wins approval
Parliament has agreed to amend the Swiss gun law in line with regulations by the European Union aimed at preventing terrorist attacks and illegal arms trade.

The Senate on Wednesday approved plans to tighten rules for the acquisition and ownership of magazines for semi-automatic weapons and for measures to improve the tracking of arms components.

However, the amendment foresees exemptions, taking into account the tradition of the Swiss militia army – where members may take home their standard-issue arms after the end of the mandatory military service – and the tradition of shooting competitions.


Somewhat lacking in detail - which would have had be opposing it, as well, on general principles.

Wikipedia has more:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Switzerland#EU_Gun_Ban
A 2017 amendment to the EU Firearms Directive, known as the "EU Gun Ban", introduces new restrictions on firearms possession and acquisition, especially on semi-automatic firearms, personal defense weapons, magazine capacity, blank firing guns and historical firearms. The restrictions must be introduced into the Swiss legal system by August 2018 due to its membership of the Schengen area.

The Directive also includes an exemption covering a specific Swiss issue – it allows possession to a target shooter of one firearm used during the mandatory military period after leaving the army, provided it was converted to semi-automatic only (art. 6(6) of the Amendment Directive). This part of the Directive specifically was however challenged by the Czech Republic before the European Court of Justice due to its discriminatory nature. The Czech Republic seeks nullification of the "Swiss exemption" as well as of other parts of the Directive.

Civil rights organizations plan to hold a referendum to reject the recent EU directive. According to Swiss People's Party vice-president Christoph Blocher, Switzerland should consider abandoning EU's borderless Schengen Area if the Swiss people reject the proposed measures in a referendum.


So, they'll let you keep one gun, so it's not really a ban.
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Re: Swiss support for gun ownership faces crucial test

Postby Lumpy on Thu Apr 04, 2019 4:21 pm

"Ban guns or you're boycotted". :evil:
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Re: Swiss support for gun ownership faces crucial test

Postby Grayskies on Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:19 pm

Lumpy wrote:"Ban guns or you're boycotted". :evil:

If there is a boycott I will have to stock up on Swiss Miss Hot Chocolate!
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Re: Swiss support for gun ownership faces crucial test

Postby Ghost on Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:22 pm

Grayskies wrote:
Lumpy wrote:"Ban guns or you're boycotted". :evil:

If there is a boycott I will have to stock up on Swiss Miss Hot Chocolate!

Switzerland is a beautiful country
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Re: Swiss support for gun ownership faces crucial test

Postby Grayskies on Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:29 pm

Ghost wrote:
Grayskies wrote:
Lumpy wrote:"Ban guns or you're boycotted". :evil:

If there is a boycott I will have to stock up on Swiss Miss Hot Chocolate!

Switzerland is a beautiful country

I have never been there, Its on my list of want to see but never will.
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Re: Swiss support for gun ownership faces crucial test

Postby BigBlue on Fri Apr 05, 2019 6:41 am

That sounds just like what anti-gunners think a compromise is... "You accept what I want. Now we have compromised."
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Re: Swiss support for gun ownership faces crucial test

Postby Rip Van Winkle on Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:32 am

The Directive also includes an exemption covering a specific Swiss issue – it allows possession to a target shooter of one firearm used during the mandatory military period after leaving the army, provided it was converted to semi-automatic only (art. 6(6) of the Amendment Directive). This part of the Directive specifically was however challenged by the Czech Republic before the European Court of Justice due to its discriminatory nature. The Czech Republic seeks nullification of the "Swiss exemption" as well as of other parts of the Directive.

So the Swiss can keep one simi-auto with no magazines. Unless the Czech's get their way. :roll:

I wish my Swiss brother's, the son's of William Tell, luck on beating this back.
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Re: Swiss support for gun ownership faces crucial test

Postby smurfman on Fri Apr 05, 2019 1:16 pm

I think the Swiss could stop this in a heartbeat if they wanted. They would only have to hint of a computer hack of the bank data bases naming names and amounts could occur. The powers pushing for "uniformity" would then fill their drawers.
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Re: Swiss support for gun ownership faces crucial test

Postby Ghost on Fri Apr 05, 2019 1:44 pm

smurfman wrote:I think the Swiss could stop this in a heartbeat if they wanted. They would only have to hint of a computer hack of the bank data bases naming names and amounts could occur. The powers pushing for "uniformity" would then fill their drawers.

Or they could “stick to their guns” and tell the other countries to piss off.
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Re: Swiss support for gun ownership faces crucial test

Postby westhope on Fri Apr 05, 2019 1:53 pm

Or exit from the EU like the British.
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Re: Swiss support for gun ownership faces crucial test

Postby Ghost on Fri Apr 05, 2019 1:56 pm

westhope wrote:Or exit from the EU like the British.

That is a possibility of my comment above. I don’t understand why a country would want to give up power to control themselves.
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Re: Swiss support for gun ownership faces crucial test

Postby yukonjasper on Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:01 pm

The collectivist mentality has taken over. They truly believe they are stronger together. In some ways they are right, but in a lot of ways they are not. They are losing their identity.
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