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Re: another mass shooting today

Postby Jackpine Savage on Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:40 am

Rip Van Winkle wrote:
Kollie is charged with lying on a federal firearms form while buying a pistol not used in the attack.


I wonder what he lied about.


Using drugs.
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Re: another mass shooting today

Postby Rip Van Winkle on Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:42 am

Jackpine Savage wrote:
Rip Van Winkle wrote:
Kollie is charged with lying on a federal firearms form while buying a pistol not used in the attack.


I wonder what he lied about.


Using drugs.

That would be my guess, but unless he admitted he was a user before he purchased, how would the government prove it?
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Re: another mass shooting today

Postby Jackpine Savage on Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:06 am

I'm pretty sure I read an article where he admitted to doing drugs with Betts years ago.
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another mass shooting today

Postby dismal on Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:16 am

Perhaps also he did a straw purchase?
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Re: another mass shooting today

Postby Rip Van Winkle on Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:38 am

dismal wrote:Perhaps also he did a straw purchase?

I would think if the Fed's had evidence of that, he would have been charged with it already.

But who knows if more charges are coming.
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Re: another mass shooting today

Postby yukonjasper on Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:10 am

With the rigorous screening that filling out forms represents, there is no way a criminal would ever check a box or uncheck a box knowingly lying to obtain a weapon, the whole system relies on that person being honest and I'm sure he took it very seriously.......you know, filling out a government form honestly......being a criminal and all......what incentive would you have for not being completely honest......... :roll:

Obviously I'm being sarcastic here, but it underscores the point the bad people don't care about regulations, laws or any sort of voluntary declaration of compliance.
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Re: another mass shooting today

Postby Ghost on Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:15 am

yukonjasper wrote:With the rigorous screening that filling out forms represents, there is no way a criminal would ever check a box or uncheck a box knowingly lying to obtain a weapon, the whole system relies on that person being honest and I'm sure he took it very seriously.......you know, filling out a government form honestly......being a criminal and all......what incentive would you have for not being completely honest......... :roll:

Obviously I'm being sarcastic here, but it underscores the point the bad people don't care about regulations, laws or any sort of voluntary declaration of compliance.

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Re: another mass shooting today

Postby yukonjasper on Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:37 am

So the logic, if you want to call it that, is to eliminate the guns completely so that all that is left are knives, bats, chains, cars, etc.

So ultimately they are building up to the crescendo that all guns need to be collected everywhere. Better yet let's build a time machine and make sure they are never invented in the first place.
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Re: another mass shooting today

Postby Ghost on Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:31 pm

yukonjasper wrote:So the logic, if you want to call it that, is to eliminate the guns completely so that all that is left are knives, bats, chains, cars, etc.

So ultimately they are building up to the crescendo that all guns need to be collected everywhere. Better yet let's build a time machine and make sure they are never invented in the first place.

I was being facetious.

People who want to break the law by murdering people will not be concerned with the law regarding an object that can facilitate their end goal.

Gun grabbers have very poor rational;

They have to believe that guns are the only method of killing people

They have to believe that breaking a gun law trumps a murder law in order to stop a murder

They have to believe criminals would not take advantage of defenseless people
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Re: another mass shooting today

Postby Rip Van Winkle on Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:13 pm

The thing to remember is the anti's don't think rationally, they think emotionally. They don't see evil people in the world, just people who make bad choices. They project their feelings into every situation. They see permit holders shooting each other over parking spaces because they can see themselves doing just that. They see a mass shooter and think, if he didn't have access to a gun, he would have calmed down and not chosen to harm innocent people.

Unless they can blame Trump. :roll:
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Re: another mass shooting today

Postby Holland&Holland on Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:26 pm

You guys don't get it. They are very rational. They just are not honest. It sounds irrational because you believe that they honestly care about stopping murders. They do not. They care about disarming you so that they can rule you.
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Re: another mass shooting today

Postby BigDog58 on Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:57 am

The only gun control I plan to follow is quite old, and was taught to me at a very young age.

Gun Control, Is Using Both Hands!

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Re: another mass shooting today

Postby daleamn on Sun Aug 18, 2019 2:40 pm

I totally enjoyed the pie chart above.
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