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Grayskies wrote:4) Throwing the the anti-2a crowd crumbs to appease them never works they always want more, their goal is and has always been a ban on all guns.

This should be #1 IMO.

It is their number 1 for sure.

I was just listing them as they came to mind.

People need to understand the frog and the scorpion story, It is the nature of the anti-2as to want to ban them all, they will not be happy with anything less. This has nothing to do with gun violence (see places like chicago) this is all about political power.

A link to the story
http://allaboutfrogs.org/stories/scorpion.html

Grayskies wrote: they will not be happy with anything less.

The truth of the matter is, the anti's are sad and angry people who won't ever be happy. Even if they get everything they say they want.

Rip Van Winkle wrote:The truth of the matter is, the anti's are sad and angry people who won't ever be happy. Even if they get everything they say they want.

It sure seems like the whole "Progressive" movement fits that description. After all, if your goal in life is to constantly "progress" toward some new goal, you must be unhappy with the way things are now. If you keep dwelling on the things that are wrong and need to be changed, you'll surely be miserable.

America is the best place on earth, we are blessed and lucky to live here, the Leftists should go find some other country to ruin. Try China, they have banned guns!

MJY65 wrote:

Rip Van Winkle wrote:The truth of the matter is, the anti's are sad and angry people who won't ever be happy. Even if they get everything they say they want.

It sure seems like the whole "Progressive" movement fits that description. After all, if your goal in life is to constantly "progress" toward some new goal, you must be unhappy with the way things are now. If you keep dwelling on the things that are wrong and need to be changed, you'll surely be miserable.

Ain't that the truth!!!

Can you imagine how different a society would be if there weren't always people trying to fix everything? No need for legislators hardly at all because we accept that the laws we have work. No fanatical groups pushing for this or that to change. And no need for us to waste our time trying to fight to preserve what we already have. The collective amount of time we would have would allow society to do a lot of amazing things.

BigBlue wrote:

MJY65 wrote:

Rip Van Winkle wrote:The truth of the matter is, the anti's are sad and angry people who won't ever be happy. Even if they get everything they say they want.

It sure seems like the whole "Progressive" movement fits that description. After all, if your goal in life is to constantly "progress" toward some new goal, you must be unhappy with the way things are now. If you keep dwelling on the things that are wrong and need to be changed, you'll surely be miserable.

Ain't that the truth!!!

Can you imagine how different a society would be if there weren't always people trying to fix everything? No need for legislators hardly at all because we accept that the laws we have work. No fanatical groups pushing for this or that to change. And no need for us to waste our time trying to fight to preserve what we already have. The collective amount of time we would have would allow society to do a lot of amazing things.

+1

I don’t disagree that a change isn’t going to make a big difference, however, the antis are a minority, as are we.

We need to keep popular perception that we are not disinterested in misuse or the harm that guns can do in the wrong hands. The fact remains that we are always in a “reactive” situation. As is shown by what happened in New Zealand, it doesn’t take long for the rules to change if the majority want them to.

crbutler wrote:I don’t disagree that a change isn’t going to make a big difference, however, the antis are a minority, as are we.

We need to keep popular perception that we are not disinterested in misuse or the harm that guns can do in the wrong hands. The fact remains that we are always in a “reactive” situation. As is shown by what happened in New Zealand, it doesn’t take long for the rules to change if the majority want them to.

You might as well turn in your guns as that's where your thinking gets us. The bill of rights and constitution is there to keep the majority from walking on the rights of the minority.

The dems and media will always demonize us, they demonize any one that disagrees with them, to expect anything else is to ignore their nature.

By the way New Zealand is not part of the U.S. and they don't have gun rights.

Grayskies wrote:

crbutler wrote:I don’t disagree that a change isn’t going to make a big difference, however, the antis are a minority, as are we.

We need to keep popular perception that we are not disinterested in misuse or the harm that guns can do in the wrong hands. The fact remains that we are always in a “reactive” situation. As is shown by what happened in New Zealand, it doesn’t take long for the rules to change if the majority want them to.

You might as well turn in your guns as that's where your thinking gets us. The bill of rights and constitution is there to keep the majority from walking on the rights of the minority.

The dems and media will always demonize us, they demonize any one that disagrees with them, to expect anything else is to ignore their nature.

By the way New Zealand is not part of the U.S. and they don't have gun rights.

This +1000

Grayskies wrote:By the way New Zealand is not part of the U.S. and they don't have gun rights.

Everyone, in every nation, in every time, has an unalienable Individual Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

It's just that in some nations it's routinely infringed.

jdege wrote:

Grayskies wrote:By the way New Zealand is not part of the U.S. and they don't have gun rights.

Everyone, in every nation, in every time, has an unalienable Individual Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

It's just that in some nations it's routinely infringed.

It is only a "right" if you can defend it.

jdege wrote:

Grayskies wrote:By the way New Zealand is not part of the U.S. and they don't have gun rights.

Everyone, in every nation, in every time, has an unalienable Individual Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

It's just that in some nations it's routinely infringed.

I think you know I meant rights enumerated in a constitution like our second amendment and not those granted to people by God.

I like this quote

Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) - “As I read the Second Amendment, it doesn’t say the right to bear arms shall not be infringed unless the gun has scary features.”

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019 ... ssion=true