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https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/12/18/2020-27857/objective-factors-for-classifying-weapons-with-stabilizing-braces
Objective Factors for Classifying Weapons with “Stabilizing Braces”

I'm not sure they understand what "objective factor" means:

• Type and Caliber. The type and caliber of firearm to which the stabilizing brace or similar item is installed. A large caliber firearm that is impractical to fire with one hand because of recoil or other factors, even with an arm brace, is likely to be considered a rifle or shotgun.
• Weight and Length. The weight and length of the firearm used with the stabilizing brace. A firearm that is so heavy that it is impractical to fire or aim with one hand, or so long that it is difficult to balance the firearm to fire with one hand, is likely to be considered a rifle or shotgun.

"Likely to be considered"? In what universe can that be considered an "objective factor"?

jdege wrote:"Likely to be considered"? In what universe can that be considered an "objective factor"?

The Government Universe. You know that one where all the inhabitants are smarter and more moral than us mere peasants.

Could they possibly be more vague????

LarryFlew wrote:Could they possibly be more vague????

Could they possibly be more <intentionally> vague?
FIFY.

They should have addressed this when braces came out. They didn’t. BUT, if you think about it, a short barrel 308 is not light. Mine is a heavy sob. Will hold off as long as I can but already looking to rebarrel to a 16 inch if this starts to go south. Will be dammed if I’ll register any god dam AR. On the other hand, my 300 BO’s are light and should past the mustard. I hope they do!

Bearcatrp wrote:They should have addressed this when braces came out. They didn’t. BUT, if you think about it, a short barrel 308 is not light. Mine is a heavy sob. Will hold off as long as I can but already looking to rebarrel to a 16 inch if this starts to go south. Will be dammed if I’ll register any god dam AR. On the other hand, my 300 BO’s are light and should past the mustard. I hope they do!

How long could you (or any mortal) keep an S & W 500 on target with one hand?

xd ED wrote:

Bearcatrp wrote:They should have addressed this when braces came out. They didn’t. BUT, if you think about it, a short barrel 308 is not light. Mine is a heavy sob. Will hold off as long as I can but already looking to rebarrel to a 16 inch if this starts to go south. Will be dammed if I’ll register any god dam AR. On the other hand, my 300 BO’s are light and should past the mustard. I hope they do!

How long could you (or any mortal) keep an S & W 500 on target with one hand?

Good point right there!

xd ED wrote:

Bearcatrp wrote:They should have addressed this when braces came out. They didn’t. BUT, if you think about it, a short barrel 308 is not light. Mine is a heavy sob. Will hold off as long as I can but already looking to rebarrel to a 16 inch if this starts to go south. Will be dammed if I’ll register any god dam AR. On the other hand, my 300 BO’s are light and should past the mustard. I hope they do!

How long could you (or any mortal) keep an S & W 500 on target with one hand?

That is an assault rifle! Ban ban ban!

Depends on the S&W .500.

I’ve shot one for a cylinderful one handed. The (relatively) short barrelled one isn’t that bad.

Most of them are difficult to hold well even with 2 hands.

A pistol with a bipod ain’t a pistol IMO. But I’m not .gov either. The things they make as “hunting handguns” are all about arbitrary rules.

I thought a 500 S&W came with a wheeled carriage and a team of horses to pull it...

The ATF withdrew the proposal this afternoon, after 'consultation' with DOJ. A temporary reprieve I'm sure.

Sneaky bastards will try again.

They are just waiting for a Harris presidency to try again.

What's too heavy to be aimed with one arm, to a given individual, may be easily aimed by another. In my younger days, holding and aiming a 10-15 pound gun, would have been quite easy. Today, not even possible.

Their definition was far too vague, and left it to a subjective number, of the person wanting to enforce their law.

I'm glad they backed off. I don't own an AR, nor any other gun, that utilizes an "arm brace". I just don't like the ATF changing what was originally sold legally to millions of gun owners, to one that required a Tax Stamp, or surrender it.

BigDog58 wrote:What's too heavy to be aimed with one arm, to a given individual, may be easily aimed by another. In my younger days, holding and aiming a 10-15 pound gun, would have been quite easy. Today, not even possible.

Their definition was far too vague, and left it to a subjective number, of the person wanting to enforce their law.

I'm glad they backed off. I don't own an AR, nor any other gun, that utilizes an "arm brace". I just don't like the ATF changing what was originally sold legally to millions of gun owners, to one that required a Tax Stamp, or surrender it.

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