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Democrats can't fund police, so they push for gun control

Postby jdege on Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:05 pm

Something unexpected from MSN:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/democrats-can-t-fund-the-police-so-they-push-for-failed-gun-control/ar-BB1ez75d
Democrats can't fund the police, so they push for failed gun control
n 2020, the U.S. experienced a devastating surge in crimes, including gun crimes. But Democrats have gone so far to the extreme left that they can no longer propose what was once in their standard policy arsenal for dealing with crime: an increase in police funding, putting more officers on the street, etc. Bill Clinton did this and boasted about it for years. Barack Obama at least campaigned on such an increase in funding, paired with reforms.

But today’s Democrats find themselves in a straitjacket. They are left with only the very least effective of all the measures their party historically promotes in times of rising crime: old-fashioned gun control policies that accomplished nothing in the past, which arbitrarily hassle law-abiding gun owners and reduce decent people’s access to firearms, all without doing anything to prevent gun crimes, criminal acquisition of firearms, or mass shootings.


Then there's this:

There is a bipartisan way of increasing background checks that will not put gun owners to new hassle or expense, trample freedoms, or give anti-gun politicians and bureaucrats a way of tracking gun ownership. We have repeatedly advocated for it in this space for almost a decade now. But Democrats don’t want to pass that measure because they still hold forth hope that someday, their efforts will produce a government database containing information on everyone who owns a gun, which will, in turn, help them keep the promise that former Rep. Beto O’Rourke was kind enough to voice out loud: “Hell, yes, we’re going to take your AR-15.”


The "bipartisan way" they suggest: Give gun owners the info they need to prevent massacres

After the Sandy Hook massacre, Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., proposed an instant check system that anyone could use free online, rather like booking an airline ticket.

Would-be buyers could go online, enter their personal information as if they were checking their credit score and run a background check on themselves. If they passed, the system would give them a tracking number, good for 30 days, that they could present to a seller. The seller could then enter the tracking number online and verify that the buyer was legit. (The seller would not get access to the buyer's personal information, just to whether he passed the check.)

Gun-control advocates objected to Coburn's proposal because this entire system was voluntary. But from their perspective, this is still far better than the status quo, as it would overnight result in far more private legal gun transactions being checked.
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Re: Democrats can't fund police, so they push for gun control

Postby Holland&Holland on Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:48 pm

So if there are no police who is going to come for the guns?
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Re: Democrats can't fund police, so they push for gun control

Postby smurfman on Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:57 pm

Holland&Holland wrote:So if there are no police who is going to come for the guns?


Only municipal and county law enforcement personnel plus some Federal agencies such as ICE and CBP are supposed to be defunded. Other Federal agencies such as ATF, FBI, and any others deemed "acceptable" will be tasked with the seizures. I wouldn't be surprised if seizures ended up contracted out to some organization as then any abuses could be blamed on the contractor running amok rather than the government.
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Re: Democrats can't fund police, so they push for gun control

Postby Holland&Holland on Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:26 pm

smurfman wrote:
Holland&Holland wrote:So if there are no police who is going to come for the guns?


Only municipal and county law enforcement personnel plus some Federal agencies such as ICE and CBP are supposed to be defunded. Other Federal agencies such as ATF, FBI, and any others deemed "acceptable" will be tasked with the seizures. I wouldn't be surprised if seizures ended up contracted out to some organization as then any abuses could be blamed on the contractor running amok rather than the government.


Thank you for clarifying. I forgot that outsourced resources with guns are ok as long as it is not law abiding citizens with guns.
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Re: Democrats can't fund police, so they push for gun control

Postby Bearcatrp on Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:24 am

Holland&Holland wrote:So if there are no police who is going to come for the guns?

The blue helmet folks courtesy of the Biden chit show!
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Re: Democrats can't fund police, so they push for gun control

Postby xd ED on Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:50 am

Bearcatrp wrote:
Holland&Holland wrote:So if there are no police who is going to come for the guns?

The blue helmet folks courtesy of the Biden chit show!


It's impossible to imagine, how poorly it would end, if foreign troops on American soil attempted to confiscate firearms, or otherwise infringe on the citizen's Constitutional rights.
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Re: Democrats can't fund police, so they push for gun control

Postby yukonjasper on Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:16 am

Bearcatrp wrote:
Holland&Holland wrote:So if there are no police who is going to come for the guns?

The blue helmet folks courtesy of the Biden chit show!


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Re: Democrats can't fund police, so they push for gun control

Postby BigBlue on Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:15 am

jdege wrote:
After the Sandy Hook massacre, Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., proposed an instant check system that anyone could use free online, rather like booking an airline ticket.

Would-be buyers could go online, enter their personal information as if they were checking their credit score and run a background check on themselves. If they passed, the system would give them a tracking number, good for 30 days, that they could present to a seller. The seller could then enter the tracking number online and verify that the buyer was legit. (The seller would not get access to the buyer's personal information, just to whether he passed the check.)

Gun-control advocates objected to Coburn's proposal because this entire system was voluntary. But from their perspective, this is still far better than the status quo, as it would overnight result in far more private legal gun transactions being checked.


This type of thing would be a feasible way to do it. Very similar to the common practice today of a private seller asking to see a permit to carry or purchase. Then, make sure there are penalties in place for folks who bypass the system and sell to an unverified person and make sure violations are prosecuted. If the seller can keep the record of the ID they used to validate and the database keeps a record that ID xxxx was valid on the date of sale then the seller is covered. Just keep the gun serial number and model out of the picture and no record in the database that a purchase did or didn't take place. Libs will never go for it though because safety has never been the real goal.
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