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Re: Police involved shooting in Brooklyn Center

Postby jdege on Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:55 pm

https://reason.com/2021/04/12/overcriminalization-killed-daunte-wright-police-shooting-brooklyn-center-minnesota-air-freshener/?utm_medium=email
Overcriminalization Killed Daunte Wright
A police officer pulled the trigger. But Wright shouldn't have been pulled over in the first place.
But one topic that still hasn't received enough attention is the consequences of overcriminalization. Police accountability, training, and transparency are certainly important: If an officer cannot distinguish between a firearm and a taser, we have a problem. But it's also a problem that cops could pull Wright over for this reason in the first place.

Eric Garner, one of the most publicized victims of police brutality, died after former New York City police officer Daniel Pantaleo choked him for the crime of selling loose cigarettes. Other victims aren't as well-known. Like Ramon Lopez, who died after Phoenix police officers chased, tackled, and pinned him on searing hot asphalt because someone had called 911 to report him for loitering in a parking lot, "jumping around," "looking at people's cars," and wearing "ripped pants."

Serious criminal justice reform should include an effort to criminalize fewer things. We need to slash away the laws that make virtually everyone a criminal—and that lead to so many unpleasant, and sometimes deadly, confrontations with law enforcement. Daunte Wright would be alive today had he not dared to hang an air freshener in the wrong spot.
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Re: Police involved shooting in Brooklyn Center

Postby xd ED on Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:27 pm

Lumpy wrote:
xd ED wrote:Watched the aftermath on 'Live on Patro'l. They were reporting traffic jams of cars coming from Mpls and St Paul to the shopping center being looted.
Is that the strip mall where Bills is located? What if anything happened there?


I thought I heard it referred to as Shingle Creek Mall, in Brooklyn Ctr.
I watched while they surrounded, and attempted to protect Walmart. I don't know where all the Bill's locations are, but if there had been a gun store in that mall, I'm sure it would have gotten the most attention from the Police. After they chased everyone away from Walmart, and did an inside search, they came out and said there wasn't a TRV, or any jewelry left in the store...
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Re: Police involved shooting in Brooklyn Center

Postby xd ED on Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:32 pm

jdege wrote:https://reason.com/2021/04/12/overcriminalization-killed-daunte-wright-police-shooting-brooklyn-center-minnesota-air-freshener/?utm_medium=email
Overcriminalization Killed Daunte Wright
A police officer pulled the trigger. But Wright shouldn't have been pulled over in the first place.
But one topic that still hasn't received enough attention is the consequences of overcriminalization. Police accountability, training, and transparency are certainly important: If an officer cannot distinguish between a firearm and a taser, we have a problem. But it's also a problem that cops could pull Wright over for this reason in the first place.

Eric Garner, one of the most publicized victims of police brutality, died after former New York City police officer Daniel Pantaleo choked him for the crime of selling loose cigarettes. Other victims aren't as well-known. Like Ramon Lopez, who died after Phoenix police officers chased, tackled, and pinned him on searing hot asphalt because someone had called 911 to report him for loitering in a parking lot, "jumping around," "looking at people's cars," and wearing "ripped pants."

Serious criminal justice reform should include an effort to criminalize fewer things. We need to slash away the laws that make virtually everyone a criminal—and that lead to so many unpleasant, and sometimes deadly, confrontations with law enforcement. Daunte Wright would be alive today had he not dared to hang an air freshener in the wrong spot.


I would expect better from Reason Magazine.
To compare selling cigarettes to a fugitive felon on a gun charge is something we'd see from local media.
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Re: Police involved shooting in Brooklyn Center

Postby rtk on Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:01 pm

Curfew tonight, complete and total BS! Far west burbs, welcome to the communist state of Governor Walz. :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Police involved shooting in Brooklyn Center

Postby cmxterra on Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:04 pm

Going to be a long summer boys and girls. Dress accordingly.
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Re: Police involved shooting in Brooklyn Center

Postby jdege on Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:34 pm

xd ED wrote:To compare selling cigarettes to a fugitive felon on a gun charge is something we'd see from local media.

And driving with an air freshener?
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Re: Police involved shooting in Brooklyn Center

Postby xd ED on Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:40 pm

jdege wrote:
xd ED wrote:To compare selling cigarettes to a fugitive felon on a gun charge is something we'd see from local media.

And driving with an air freshener?

Don't believe everything the dead kid's mother says.
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Re: Police involved shooting in Brooklyn Center

Postby americos on Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:58 pm

Interesting that national guard activated before they shoot the guy .
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Re: Police involved shooting in Brooklyn Center

Postby Lumpy on Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:29 pm

The unpleasant fact is that police disproportionately pull over black drivers for minor violations simply because stops of black drivers are far more likely to be "productive"- discovering open warrants, visible contraband, etc. It looks good on statistics based on how many arrests are produced. Unless the police are bored or need to make a quota of traffic tickets for the month they're not going to pull over a white driver for, say, a broken tail light- why bother, what are the chances it'll lead to anything?

This isn't ipso facto racist, but it does tend to make the criminalization of the black population a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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Re: Police involved shooting in Brooklyn Center

Postby Lumpy on Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:31 pm

xd ED wrote:
Lumpy wrote:
xd ED wrote:Watched the aftermath on 'Live on Patro'l. They were reporting traffic jams of cars coming from Mpls and St Paul to the shopping center being looted.
Is that the strip mall where Bills is located? What if anything happened there?


I thought I heard it referred to as Shingle Creek Mall, in Brooklyn Ctr.
I watched while they surrounded, and attempted to protect Walmart. I don't know where all the Bill's locations are, but if there had been a gun store in that mall, I'm sure it would have gotten the most attention from the Police. After they chased everyone away from Walmart, and did an inside search, they came out and said there wasn't a TRV, or any jewelry left in the store...


:oops: Bills is in Robbinsdale, what the heck was I thinking?
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Re: Police involved shooting in Brooklyn Center

Postby Bearcatrp on Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:44 pm

jdege wrote:
xd ED wrote:To compare selling cigarettes to a fugitive felon on a gun charge is something we'd see from local media.

And driving with an air freshener?

Was pulled over about 5 years ago in Wright county for the same BS. Didn’t get a ticket though. Thought it was BS but looked it up and found out it’s true. Bottom line, follow the police officer directions and all will be fine. Don’t follow their orders and risk ending up dead!
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Re: Police involved shooting in Brooklyn Center

Postby Holland&Holland on Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:41 pm

Lumpy wrote:The unpleasant fact is that police disproportionately pull over black drivers for minor violations simply because stops of black drivers are far more likely to be "productive"- discovering open warrants, visible contraband, etc. It looks good on statistics based on how many arrests are produced. Unless the police are bored or need to make a quota of traffic tickets for the month they're not going to pull over a white driver for, say, a broken tail light- why bother, what are the chances it'll lead to anything?

This isn't ipso facto racist, but it does tend to make the criminalization of the black population a self-fulfilling prophecy.

So ... you are saying white folks need to commit more offenses in order to make it worth the officer’s time?
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Re: Police involved shooting in Brooklyn Center

Postby BigBlue on Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:05 pm

Serious criminal justice reform should include an effort to criminalize fewer things. We need to slash away the laws that make virtually everyone a criminal—and that lead to so many unpleasant, and sometimes deadly, confrontations with law enforcement. Daunte Wright would be alive today had he not dared to hang an air freshener in the wrong spot.


No, what is needed is a change in society and upbringing that A) doesn't lead to people getting warrants issued for felony assault; and B) teaches people to not disregard police orders.

What happened was tragic but the actions that put this guy into the situation were crafted entirely by himself.
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Re: Police involved shooting in Brooklyn Center

Postby Holland&Holland on Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:16 pm

BigBlue wrote:
Serious criminal justice reform should include an effort to criminalize fewer things. We need to slash away the laws that make virtually everyone a criminal—and that lead to so many unpleasant, and sometimes deadly, confrontations with law enforcement. Daunte Wright would be alive today had he not dared to hang an air freshener in the wrong spot.


No, what is needed is a change in society and upbringing that A) doesn't lead to people getting warrants issued for felony assault; and B) teaches people to not disregard police orders.

What happened was tragic but the actions that put this guy into the situation were crafted entirely by himself.

Where did this quote come from?
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Re: Police involved shooting in Brooklyn Center

Postby xd ED on Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:29 pm

Holland&Holland wrote:
BigBlue wrote:
Serious criminal justice reform should include an effort to criminalize fewer things. We need to slash away the laws that make virtually everyone a criminal—and that lead to so many unpleasant, and sometimes deadly, confrontations with law enforcement. Daunte Wright would be alive today had he not dared to hang an air freshener in the wrong spot.


No, what is needed is a change in society and upbringing that A) doesn't lead to people getting warrants issued for felony assault; and B) teaches people to not disregard police orders.

What happened was tragic but the actions that put this guy into the situation were crafted entirely by himself.

Where did this quote come from?

It was attributed to Reason magazine in the 2nd post of the thread.
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