ATF To Redefine Ghost Guns, Silencers, Receivers, & More

[Grayskies]

ATF To Redefine Ghost Guns, Silencers, Receivers, & More: Are You Now A Felon?"



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ATF website link to the documents discussed

https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulatio ... er/summary

[Holland&Holland]

Why dot they just do what they want and outlaw all firearms owned by people who do not subscribe to a leftist agenda.

[Bearcatrp]

Hope all this crap gets tied up in courts for years since ATF allowed it in the 1st place. Are 3D printed parts that durable? Don't know much about the printed stuff.

[Holland&Holland]

Hope all this crap gets tied up in courts for years since ATF allowed it in the 1st place. Are 3D printed parts that durable? Don't know much about the printed stuff.

Seems like it is geared more towards 80% lowers than the 3D printed.

[jdege]

I'm seeing two pieces:

1. FFLs who receive Privately Manufactured Firearms that lack manufacturer's markings and serial number are required to mark the firearm. This should, I think, make it possible to sell a PMF, or even to hand it to a gunsmith, without the current legal minefield.
2. On a firearm design with a split receiver, like the AR10 and AR-15, both parts are to be considered to be "the receiver", and both just be marked.

I don't see the first as problematic.

The second, though, I understand why they are pushing for the rule change, given the legal mess they're in. But I'm not sure I agree that this is the right fix.

[Holland&Holland]

I'm seeing two pieces:

1. FFLs who receive Privately Manufactured Firearms that lack manufacturer's markings and serial number are required to mark the firearm. This should, I think, make it possible to sell a PMF, or even to hand it to a gunsmith, without the current legal minefield.
2. On a firearm design with a split receiver, like the AR10 and AR-15, both parts are to be considered to be "the receiver", and both just be marked.

I don't see the first as problematic.

The second, though, I understand why they are pushing for the rule change, given the legal mess they're in. But I'm not sure I agree that this is the right fix.

On the 2nd, Would this make the ones out there now illegal to sell without serializing it?

[jdege]

On the 2nd, Would this make the ones out there now illegal to sell without serializing it?

It would create a way by which PMFs could be sold that was clearly within the law.

Right now, selling PMFs is very much a legal grey area.

[Lumpy]

It would create a way by which PMFs could be sold that was clearly within the law.

Right now, selling PMFs is very much a legal grey area.

Indeed I thought the whole point was you could make your own unmarked gun if you wanted to provided you never, ever transferred it.

[westhope]

On a firearm design with a split receiver, like the AR10 and AR-15, both parts are to be considered to be "the receiver", and both just be marked.

So the "Upper" would now be a registered part too? No longer could be purchased without a background check?

[jdege]

On a firearm design with a split receiver, like the AR10 and AR-15, both parts are to be considered to be "the receiver", and both just be marked.

So the "Upper" would now be a registered part too? No longer could be purchased without a background check?

That's what it sounds like to me.

[Rowdy Roddy]

On a firearm design with a split receiver, like the AR10 and AR-15, both parts are to be considered to be "the receiver", and both just be marked.

So the "Upper" would now be a registered part too? No longer could be purchased without a background check?

That's what it sounds like to me.

I, like many others, have more than one upper that shares a lower. This would make us felons I expect.

ego non pario

[Holland&Holland]

No one said it had to have the same serial number. Just 2 separate guns.

[Bearcatrp]

They require 50 BMG uppers to be serialized and require to go through a FFL now. Had a feeling this was the beginning of what we are seeing now.

[Scratch]

Lets hope that with enough comments, we can make it go away like the green tips and braces.

[prushin]

I'm kind of ambivalent regarding chaging the rules. What we need to do is get the BATFE folks to give us actual definitions. We need to know what "reasonable" or "readily" means. We need to get them to give us some actual measurable standards we can use for comparison. If they're going to open up their mythical rule book to changes we need to work on forcing them to follow the rules that they publish.