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Big Lake police chief resigns over illegal gun purchase

Postby BigBlue on Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:04 am

Summary:

Former Big Lake police chief wanted to buy his service weapon after he left, when the city was ready to liquidate it. Current chief was apparently conducting the sale at Streichers with the old chief there to buy his weapon. But the old chief had moved out of state so they wouldn't accept his permit to carry for the sale. Current chief bought it and transferred it to the old chief. Straw purchase, anyone?

Twist is that the former chief turned the current chief in for it after their relationship soured.

https://kstp.com/news/atf-fbi-investiga ... s/6357947/
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Re: Big Lake police chief resigns over illegal gun purchase

Postby Sorcerer on Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:24 am

Sometimes the wink wink nod nod comes back to bite you. Strikers is now jammed up also. That employee is most likely looking for a new employer also. The current ex chief is full of it “ didn’t know it was illegal “. BS. I wonder if the Permit to purchase’s that the chief signed off on will now have to be “ reviewed.
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Re: Big Lake police chief resigns over illegal gun purchase

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Re: Big Lake police chief resigns over illegal gun purchase

Postby OldmanFCSA on Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:45 am

Will you sell me a handgun?
I have a Minnesota Carry Permit.
My Driver License address matches the Carry Permit address.

I also have a Wisconsin Carry Permit.
My Driver License address matches the Carry Permit address.

What or Which is the correct process ?
(I know)
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Re: Big Lake police chief resigns over illegal gun purchase

Postby Sorcerer on Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:11 am

OldmanFCSA wrote:Will you sell me a handgun?
I have a Minnesota Carry Permit.
My Driver License address matches the Carry Permit address.

I also have a Wisconsin Carry Permit.
My Driver License address matches the Carry Permit address.

What or Which is the correct process ?
(I know)

Your Wisconsin permit does no good in Minnesota for a hand gun. For a long gun, semi automatic firearm may not be allowed. Bolt / pump action you should be good to go. Neighboring state purchases if allowed. You can by a hand gun in Minnesota it just has to be shipped to a Wisconsin FFL.
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Re: Big Lake police chief resigns over illegal gun purchase

Postby BigBlue on Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:12 am

OldmanFCSA wrote:Will you sell me a handgun?
I have a Minnesota Carry Permit.
My Driver License address matches the Carry Permit address.

I also have a Wisconsin Carry Permit.
My Driver License address matches the Carry Permit address.

What or Which is the correct process ?
(I know)


Depends what your home state is, and the state the seller is in. Having multiple carry permits is meaningless to the situation. The carry permit from a state you're not a resident of doesn't factor into a purchase.
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Re: Big Lake police chief resigns over illegal gun purchase

Postby smurfman on Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:44 am

OldmanFCSA wrote:Will you sell me a handgun?
I have a Minnesota Carry Permit.
My Driver License address matches the Carry Permit address.

I also have a Wisconsin Carry Permit.
My Driver License address matches the Carry Permit address.

What or Which is the correct process ?
(I know)


I can play that game:

Will I sell you a handgun? Yes.
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Re: Big Lake police chief resigns over illegal gun purchase

Postby Lumpy on Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:02 pm

[sarcasm]Take solace that at least it's keeping illegal guns off the streets.[/sarcasm]
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Re: Big Lake police chief resigns over illegal gun purchase

Postby BigBlue on Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:08 pm

Getting back on topic...

One notable item I found in a different article on the topic said:

Scharf's complaint was referred to Plymouth police to investigate possible criminal violations, as well as the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Both federal entities submitted findings to the Department of Justice, which declined to prosecute, in part, because the straw purchase involved fewer than 50 guns, according to Kaufman's report.


I don't know if that's just an excuse they used to avoid charging a police officer or if that's a standard policy. If it's a standard policy I think using 50 firearms as the threshold for charging someone with a straw purchase is WAY too much. That means pretty much any of the 'gangbanger's girlfriends' that buy guns for their criminals would never get charged (which seems like the case). Fix that crap!

This issue also highlights the gray areas around the law for straw purchases. What is really the key distinction that crosses the line? If I buy a gun and a week layer decide I dislike it and sell it that's legal. There was no intent to get the gun to the eventual buyer at time of sale. If I buy a gun to give a family member (or anyone) as a gift, that's legal. There is an intent that the gun is actually going to a different person at time of sale here but gifting is acceptable. If a gangbanger's girlfriend buys a gun for her boyfriend knowing that he is not allowed to purchase or possess a gun that's a straw sale, because there is an active intent to thwart the law. However, in the case of this news article, there was intent at time of sale, it was not a gift, but the eventual recipient was known to be legally able to possess the gun. Yet it was a crime. Is it because the recipient was not from the state that makes it a crime?

What if the situation were slightly different? Say both initial buyer and eventual recipient were both from MN. But one guy forgot his license that day and there was a hot sale on the last gun in inventory so the friend buys it and then sells it to him later, knowing he does have a permit to purchase in MN? That would still be a straw sale but seemingly only on a technicality. Just curious what other folks think...
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Re: Big Lake police chief resigns over illegal gun purchase

Postby IvanTheTerribleShot on Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:59 pm

I think there is a market for temporary registering a person as a resident in a state of choice.
If it only was possible to cut some corners at DMV...
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Re: Big Lake police chief resigns over illegal gun purchase

Postby Holland&Holland on Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:50 pm

What happened to shall not be infringed? Or are we not doing that anymore?
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Re: Big Lake police chief resigns over illegal gun purchase

Postby smurfman on Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:21 pm

Holland&Holland wrote:What happened to shall not be infringed? Or are we not doing that anymore?


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Re: Big Lake police chief resigns over illegal gun purchase

Postby Holland&Holland on Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:02 am

smurfman wrote:
Holland&Holland wrote:What happened to shall not be infringed? Or are we not doing that anymore?


You lead and show us the way...

Kinda need folks to put away there shamans outfits 1st.
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Re: Big Lake police chief resigns over illegal gun purchase

Postby Lumpy on Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:33 pm

Holland&Holland wrote:What happened to shall not be infringed? Or are we not doing that anymore?


Ended about the same time as strict limitation of federal powers.
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Re: Big Lake police chief resigns over illegal gun purchase

Postby BigBlue on Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:54 am

Nobody has any comments regarding the 'straw purchase' questions I put forth earlier? I would have thought there would be a bunch of people jumping in to tell me how poorly I understand things and how it really is. Or at least one "who was your instructor?" comment.
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