Uvalde Cops Reportedly Tried To Silence the Mom Who Rescued

[jdege]

https://reason.com/2022/06/06/angeli-gomez-uvalde-cops-silence-mom-mass-shooting/
Uvalde Cops Reportedly Tried To Silence the Mom Who Rescued Her Kids and Criticized the Police Response
"She was holding back from sharing her story until now."

In an interview with CBS that aired this weekend, Gomez explained how she was able to enter the school and rescue her two children despite the cops' active efforts to thwart her. The entire interview is a damning indictment of law enforcement's mishandling of the shooting, but one new detail bears particular emphasis: According to Gomez, the police subsequently contacted her and said that the media attention she was generating for criticizing them could lead to obstruction of justice charges. (Gomez is on probation for unspecified though decades-old charges.)

[xd ED]

This incident is becoming more curiouser, and curiouser with every bit of new information.

Among other things worth learning, is why no one in the school district Police dept had keys to anything, and had to rely on the school custodian for access to the classrooms.

[jdege]

This incident is becoming more curiouser, and curiouser with every bit of new information.

Among other things worth learning, is why no one in the school district Police dept had keys to anything, and had to rely on the school custodian for access to the classrooms.

And that the door that was reportedly been "propped open" was caught on video being closed, but didn't lock...

[Holland&Holland]

This incident is becoming more curiouser, and curiouser with every bit of new information.

Among other things worth learning, is why no one in the school district Police dept had keys to anything, and had to rely on the school custodian for access to the classrooms.

Pretty sure every fire truck across the country carries a universal key that opens most door locks.

[LarryFlew]

This incident is becoming more curiouser, and curiouser with every bit of new information.

Among other things worth learning, is why no one in the school district Police dept had keys to anything, and had to rely on the school custodian for access to the classrooms.

Pretty sure every fire truck across the country carries a universal key that opens most door locks.

Not sure why police had nothing to open the door with. Maybe they needed a no knock warrant to get the tool????

[Holland&Holland]

The ATF probably found their breaching shotguns to the SBS's and confiscated them.

[BigBlue]

Another topic that involves just a little too much 'hmmmmm' to be happenstance.

[smurfman]

This incident is becoming more curiouser, and curiouser with every bit of new information.

Among other things worth learning, is why no one in the school district Police dept had keys to anything, and had to rely on the school custodian for access to the classrooms.

Pretty sure every fire truck across the country carries a universal key that opens most door locks.

They do, but forcible entry tools work best on wood framed residential doors. Steel framed commercial doors set into concrete block walls are much harder to force open, it can take several minutes. It's one of the reasons sprinkler systems are so prevalent in commercial properties. One could expect the fire department to take even more time to open the door if someone is on the other side shooting at them.

[jdege]

They do, but forcible entry tools work best on wood framed residential doors. Steel framed commercial doors set into concrete block walls are much harder to force open, it can take several minutes. It's one of the reasons sprinkler systems are so prevalent in commercial properties. One could expect the fire department to take even more time to open the door if someone is on the other side shooting at them.

The techniques we used to use when I was a 12B work pretty quickly.

Just remember - a quarter block is too much.

[smurfman]

They do, but forcible entry tools work best on wood framed residential doors. Steel framed commercial doors set into concrete block walls are much harder to force open, it can take several minutes. It's one of the reasons sprinkler systems are so prevalent in commercial properties. One could expect the fire department to take even more time to open the door if someone is on the other side shooting at them.

The techniques we used to use when I was a 12B work pretty quickly.

Just remember - a quarter block is too much.

Plastic explosives were not commonly carried by the fire department at any time. It is not a common tool for police departments either. Military issue is a very different matter and there are some legalities, for good reason, which prevent the various branches of the military from operating against inside the borders of the United States.

[jdege]

Plastic explosives were not commonly carried by the fire department at any time. It is not a common tool for police departments either.

Which is a shame, because it's a very versatile tool. Even just plain det-cord had thousands of uses.

[Holland&Holland]

This incident is becoming more curiouser, and curiouser with every bit of new information.

Among other things worth learning, is why no one in the school district Police dept had keys to anything, and had to rely on the school custodian for access to the classrooms.

Pretty sure every fire truck across the country carries a universal key that opens most door locks.

They do, but forcible entry tools work best on wood framed residential doors. Steel framed commercial doors set into concrete block walls are much harder to force open, it can take several minutes. It's one of the reasons sprinkler systems are so prevalent in commercial properties. One could expect the fire department to take even more time to open the door if someone is on the other side shooting at them.

The commercial doors I have seen while stronger than wood framed still would not put up too much of an obstacle. Most schools have some glass entry points too.

[smurfman]

Pretty sure every fire truck across the country carries a universal key that opens most door locks.

They do, but forcible entry tools work best on wood framed residential doors. Steel framed commercial doors set into concrete block walls are much harder to force open, it can take several minutes. It's one of the reasons sprinkler systems are so prevalent in commercial properties. One could expect the fire department to take even more time to open the door if someone is on the other side shooting at them.

The commercial doors I have seen while stronger than wood framed still would not put up too much of an obstacle. Most schools have some glass entry points too.

33 years of training and experience in the fire service as a career choice told me differently regarding commercial doors. Steel frames set into concrete block walls resist spreading quite well and the latch systems are much more robust and secure than residential latches making them even harder to force. The doors themselves are much stronger than typical residential doors, even the wood ones. Even with power tools it took longer to breach commercial doors than residential doors. I would imagine being shot at would increase the time.

[Holland&Holland]

The sturdiness of most commercial construction has been going down quite rapidly from what I have seen. Now I did install a pair of holding cell doors a couple of years ago that I would not what to try to get through.