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The Grim Truth: The War on Guns Is Lost

Postby jdege on Wed Apr 12, 2023 8:44 am

https://newrepublic.com/article/171784/grim-truth-war-guns-lost
The Grim Truth: The War on Guns Is Lost
There are more unregistered guns in this country than are possessed by the Pentagon, DHS, and police departments combined. And Republicans want more of them.
I wrote this article long before the latest mass shooting that just happened, this time in Louisville, Kentucky, because we all know the pattern, and it never changes. There’s a mass shooting and dead innocents, often children. Angry calls for Republicans to do something, and nothing gets done. The incident fades from the 24-hour news cycle, and we resume the waiting game for the next one. It’s Sisyphus with a boulder that rolls downhill and crushes him over and over for eternity.

That’s something that people who support gun control measures need to understand: The war is lost. There is no conceivable way for things to change for the better within the next 20 to 30 years, short of a national divorce. There is no way to change hearts and minds of Republicans or the courts. There is no way to change who is in office in most states. There is no way to replace who sits on the courts quickly or change conservative disdain for stare decisis.

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At the state level, gerrymandering ensures that red states will never put in place elected representatives who would pass gun control. With the primary system as it is, there is zero chance that Republican primaries in these states would suddenly start producing candidates who would support limiting access to guns, much less taking away assault rifles.

In blue states, they already know that there is no hope that the courts will uphold the laws they pass. The Supreme Court effectively overturned the California law that limited magazine size, after ruling in 2022 that states can do little to prevent anyone from buying a gun in New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen. The conservative Fifth Circuit, based in New Orleans, ruled in 2023 that the Second Amendment prevents the government from taking guns from people under restraining orders for committing domestic violence. Nor is the government allowed to prevent them from buying guns.

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So substantive federal legislation is nigh impossible, but even if it did manage to get through the House, Senate, and White House, it would have to survive a Supreme Court that has already made it clear that it is not going to allow the government to come between people and unfettered access to weapons of war. These Supreme Court rulings will stand for decades. It is unlikely that anyone reading this will be alive when (and if) the Supreme Court ever reverses itself on gun laws. Any measure that survives both the legislative process and the courts cannot conceivably be substantive enough to have an effect.

But even if you take this scenario a further order of magnitude into fantasy, there is still the reality that there are 400 million unregistered guns in this country, and 20 million of them are AR-15s. That’s more guns than are possessed by the Defense Department, Department of Homeland Security, and police departments combined. That’s more than all the guns manufactured by the U.S. in World War II. Any attempt to register this staggering array of weapons, much less take them away, is an impossible task with owners who are largely unwilling to comply.

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This is a one-way ratchet: The path going forward has only one possible outcome. More guns, less regulation of their lethality, and less government authority over who owns them. Predicting the results is tragically easy: more lethality, more frequent mass shootings, more deaths per mass shooting, and more piles of dead children.

For those advocating gun control, you can be civil if it makes you feel morally superior. You can be uncivil if it makes you feel better. You’ll get the same results either way: namely, nothing. I admire those working to try to change these policies. But it is counterproductive to pretend that there is a “normal” political or legal solution: Things are only going to get worse for at least the next 20 to 30 years, if not more, based on the stacked political system and the courts. The system is broken, and it is not fixable in any meaningful sense.
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Re: The Grim Truth: The War on Guns Is Lost

Postby Jackpine Savage on Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:09 am

Thank you for the good news of the day!! :)
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Re: The Grim Truth: The War on Guns Is Lost

Postby Lumpy on Wed Apr 12, 2023 3:32 pm

jdege wrote:https://newrepublic.com/article/171784/grim-truth-war-guns-lost
The Grim Truth: The War on Guns Is Lost


You say all that as if it were a negative thing. :lol:

Okay, I'll give the antis this much- yes we are in an unacceptable level of violence today. We are currently living in something close to the worst of both worlds: criminals and sociopaths have no trouble obtaining guns, while only a tiny minority of people eligible to do so carry firearms routinely for self-defense. We either need no guns (if that were possible and would actually work, which it wouldn't); or else we need a LOT more guns in the right peoples' hands. So here's what I propose to do to solve America's gun violence problem:

1. Stop trying to prevent people from lawfully owning and using firearms in legitimate self-defense. Not only should jurisdictions like California and New York stop opposing gun ownership and carry, but jurisdictions around the country need to stop treating every act of armed self-defense as "vigilantism until proven otherwise". If a store owner shoots an armed robber dead, instead of spending weeks of a district attorney's time and thousands of dollars of the public's funds looking to see if there's some way, any way to charge the store owner with a crime, the presumption should be that the store owner unless shown otherwise should be given a citation of public merit. Ditto for home invasion, attempted carjacking, etc. STOP PERSECUTING ARMED DEFENSE. Rightful armed defense is not "gun violence", and should be applauded not punished.

2. Promote, rather than restrict, the possession of arms by people with clean records in public places, starting with our schools. "Gun Free Zones" are magical thinking.

3. Stop filling our prisons with people convicted of simple narcotics possession and make room for people who actually used guns to commit violent felonies. No plea deals, no parole. Punish the people who actually misuse guns, and make sure that punishment is a real and inescapable consequence.

4. Give up the naïve idea that we can make our society pacifist by conditioning people to be instinctively afraid of and repulsed by guns. That's pseudo-pacifism and is a cheap and shallow imitation of the moral decision to refrain from violence; a decision that most gun owners seek to keep until the last resort when in their judgement it is better that the guilty should suffer violence rather than the innocent.

5. Focus prevention on the mentally ill who desperately need help. Not, as an example of point 4, suspending children from school because they wore the wrong t-shirt to school.

6. "Copycat" crimes are a real thing. Stop glorifying and sensationalizing the misuse of guns.
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Re: The Grim Truth: The War on Guns Is Lost

Postby Jackpine Savage on Wed Apr 12, 2023 4:50 pm

Lumpy wrote:
jdege wrote:https://newrepublic.com/article/171784/grim-truth-war-guns-lost
The Grim Truth: The War on Guns Is Lost


You say all that as if it were a negative thing. :lol:

Okay, I'll give the antis this much- yes we are in an unacceptable level of violence today. We are currently living in something close to the worst of both worlds: criminals and sociopaths have no trouble obtaining guns, while only a tiny minority of people eligible to do so carry firearms routinely for self-defense. We either need no guns (if that were possible and would actually work, which it wouldn't); or else we need a LOT more guns in the right peoples' hands. So here's what I propose to do to solve America's gun violence problem:

1. Stop trying to prevent people from lawfully owning and using firearms in legitimate self-defense. Not only should jurisdictions like California and New York stop opposing gun ownership and carry, but jurisdictions around the country need to stop treating every act of armed self-defense as "vigilantism until proven otherwise". If a store owner shoots an armed robber dead, instead of spending weeks of a district attorney's time and thousands of dollars of the public's funds looking to see if there's some way, any way to charge the store owner with a crime, the presumption should be that the store owner unless shown otherwise should be given a citation of public merit. Ditto for home invasion, attempted carjacking, etc. STOP PERSECUTING ARMED DEFENSE. Rightful armed defense is not "gun violence", and should be applauded not punished.

2. Promote, rather than restrict, the possession of arms by people with clean records in public places, starting with our schools. "Gun Free Zones" are magical thinking.

3. Stop filling our prisons with people convicted of simple narcotics possession and make room for people who actually used guns to commit violent felonies. No plea deals, no parole. Punish the people who actually misuse guns, and make sure that punishment is a real and inescapable consequence.

4. Give up the naïve idea that we can make our society pacifist by conditioning people to be instinctively afraid of and repulsed by guns. That's pseudo-pacifism and is a cheap and shallow imitation of the moral decision to refrain from violence; a decision that most gun owners seek to keep until the last resort when in their judgement it is better that the guilty should suffer violence rather than the innocent.

5. Focus prevention on the mentally ill who desperately need help. Not, as an example of point 4, suspending children from school because they wore the wrong t-shirt to school.

6. "Copycat" crimes are a real thing. Stop glorifying and sensationalizing the misuse of guns.


I like it!!
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Re: The Grim Truth: The War on Guns Is Lost

Postby jdege on Wed Apr 12, 2023 5:25 pm

Jackpine Savage wrote:Thank you for the good news of the day!! :)

I'm worried.

If they decide that they can't use the law to disarm their political opponents, what will they do next?
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Re: The Grim Truth: The War on Guns Is Lost

Postby Jackpine Savage on Wed Apr 12, 2023 5:56 pm

jdege wrote:
Jackpine Savage wrote:Thank you for the good news of the day!! :)

I'm worried.

If they decide that they can't use the law to disarm their political opponents, what will they do next?


I think they are already doing it. Weaponizing the legal system and federal agencies. Shutting down the FFLs. Driving the gun manufacturers out of business. CBDC. Social credit scoring. They'll just keep coming.
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Re: The Grim Truth: The War on Guns Is Lost

Postby Jackpine Savage on Sun Apr 16, 2023 8:35 am

A relevant video from Mark Smith on how the Left is now pivoting towards AR-15 bans. He offered a quote from Jurassic Park referring to velociraptors:

Dr. Alan Grant: Do they show intelligence? With their brain cavity...

Muldoon: They show extreme intelligence, even problem-solving intelligence. Especially the big one. We bred eight originally, but when she came in she took over the pride and killed all but two of the others. That one... when she looks at you, you can see she's working things out. That's why we have to feed them like this. She had them all attacking the fences when the feeders came.

Dr. Ellie Sattler: But the fences are electrified though, right?

Muldoon: That's right, but they never attack the same place twice. They were testing the fences for weaknesses, systematically. They remember.


I do hate to admit there might be intelligence on the Left.

Run time is 13:40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQcWPg4iSoQ

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Re: The Grim Truth: The War on Guns Is Lost

Postby Holland&Holland on Sun Apr 16, 2023 10:46 am

Jackpine Savage wrote:
Lumpy wrote:
jdege wrote:https://newrepublic.com/article/171784/grim-truth-war-guns-lost
The Grim Truth: The War on Guns Is Lost


You say all that as if it were a negative thing. :lol:

Okay, I'll give the antis this much- yes we are in an unacceptable level of violence today. We are currently living in something close to the worst of both worlds: criminals and sociopaths have no trouble obtaining guns, while only a tiny minority of people eligible to do so carry firearms routinely for self-defense. We either need no guns (if that were possible and would actually work, which it wouldn't); or else we need a LOT more guns in the right peoples' hands. So here's what I propose to do to solve America's gun violence problem:

1. Stop trying to prevent people from lawfully owning and using firearms in legitimate self-defense. Not only should jurisdictions like California and New York stop opposing gun ownership and carry, but jurisdictions around the country need to stop treating every act of armed self-defense as "vigilantism until proven otherwise". If a store owner shoots an armed robber dead, instead of spending weeks of a district attorney's time and thousands of dollars of the public's funds looking to see if there's some way, any way to charge the store owner with a crime, the presumption should be that the store owner unless shown otherwise should be given a citation of public merit. Ditto for home invasion, attempted carjacking, etc. STOP PERSECUTING ARMED DEFENSE. Rightful armed defense is not "gun violence", and should be applauded not punished.

2. Promote, rather than restrict, the possession of arms by people with clean records in public places, starting with our schools. "Gun Free Zones" are magical thinking.

3. Stop filling our prisons with people convicted of simple narcotics possession and make room for people who actually used guns to commit violent felonies. No plea deals, no parole. Punish the people who actually misuse guns, and make sure that punishment is a real and inescapable consequence.

4. Give up the naïve idea that we can make our society pacifist by conditioning people to be instinctively afraid of and repulsed by guns. That's pseudo-pacifism and is a cheap and shallow imitation of the moral decision to refrain from violence; a decision that most gun owners seek to keep until the last resort when in their judgement it is better that the guilty should suffer violence rather than the innocent.

5. Focus prevention on the mentally ill who desperately need help. Not, as an example of point 4, suspending children from school because they wore the wrong t-shirt to school.

6. "Copycat" crimes are a real thing. Stop glorifying and sensationalizing the misuse of guns.


I like it!!


And how does that maintain power for the elite socialist agenda?
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Re: The Grim Truth: The War on Guns Is Lost

Postby Lumpy on Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:49 pm

Holland&Holland wrote:And how does that maintain power for the elite socialist agenda?

Well, it doesn't of course. And virtually all Anti's will scream "you want More guns? ARE YOU CRAZY??"
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Re: The Grim Truth: The War on Guns Is Lost

Postby Holland&Holland on Mon Apr 17, 2023 3:11 pm

Lumpy wrote:
Holland&Holland wrote:And how does that maintain power for the elite socialist agenda?

Well, it doesn't of course. And virtually all Anti's will scream "you want More guns? ARE YOU CRAZY??"


What they really mean is "you want freedom?, nope!"
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