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Article on history of Congressman Dingell and the NRA

Postby Markemp on Sun Jul 30, 2023 7:07 am

Really great deep dive on Dingle and his work with the NRA that helped pave the way for

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/30/us/p ... earms.html

Here's a GPT4 summary of the article for those who don't have a subscription. But if you do, it's worth the time to read it. Fascinating look on the history of gun issues in Congress.

GPT-4 wrote:The article from The New York Times titled "The Secret History of Gun Rights: How Lawmakers Armed the N.R.A." delves into the intertwined relationship between the National Rifle Association (N.R.A.) and U.S. lawmakers. The piece highlights how, for decades, a select group of legislators, led by the influential Democrat, Representative John D. Dingell Jr., worked in tandem with the N.R.A. to reshape the nation's understanding of the Second Amendment, the legal landscape, and the broader discourse on gun rights.

Long before the N.R.A. became the formidable force it is today, John D. Dingell Jr. envisioned a plan in 1975 to transform the organization from a group of sports enthusiasts into a powerful lobbying entity. This transformation aimed to ensure politicians' loyalty, influence legislative decisions, and redefine the legal framework surrounding gun rights. Dingell's unique position as both a politician and a member of the N.R.A.'s board of directors allowed him to significantly influence firearms policy. He was among at least nine senators and representatives from both parties who held dual roles over the past fifty years, aiding the N.R.A. in amassing unparalleled power.

The article also underscores the proactive roles these lawmakers played within the N.R.A., often pushing the organization into action. Their involvement was not merely passive acceptance of the N.R.A.'s directives. Instead, they actively led initiatives, strategized against potential legislative threats, and built a robust defense against gun control measures. This collaboration has resulted in the U.S. having over 400 million firearms in civilian hands today, with the nation deeply divided over the interpretation and implications of the right to bear arms.
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Re: Article on history of Congressman Dingell and the NRA

Postby warrlac on Sun Jul 30, 2023 11:04 am

Oh, by the way, not to be left behind, the article also appears on page A4 of our own beloved Red Star Sunday edition.

Written of course by one of main stream media's top professional liars, Mr. Mike McIntire: https://www.nytimes.com/by/mike-mcintire. Who won what has now become a prize for best fiction, the Pulitzer, in 2017 for his reporting on the outright lie of covert Russian interference constructed as narrative by the Left in order to influence the outcome of the US elections.

Did you also read the hit piece on how Democratic congressional members in both US houses, including the vice president, supported, funded and both publicly and privately worked to promote the objectives and violent tactics of BLM and Antifa since 2020?

Probably not, since liberal rags like the NYT only produce hit pieces on Trump and traditional American values.

If you post here, you might want to try and be on somewhat the same page as other members. Step #1 -- Join the NRA...
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Re: Article on history of Congressman Dingell and the NRA

Postby daleamn on Sun Jul 30, 2023 2:21 pm

I find a huge logical gap in the gun-grabbers claim about the NRA buying Senators and Congresspersons---why don't the gun-grabbers just buy them back? Heaven knows there's plenty of money on their side of the argument.

Semi-humorous bit of satire about the NRA contributing to politicians:
A couple years ago somebody was looking into what groups were contributing the most money to political campaigns. (Turns out the NRA is an absolute piker (they don't contribute much) compared to other organizations.) The article was an absolute tirade about how the NRA was contributing to SO MANY campaigns and was contributing SO MUCH money and then (here's the satire bit) the author realizes he was looking at the stats for the NAR (National Association of Realtors) and not the NRA. He ended the rant with a hangdog "Never mind." a la Saturday Night Live's Emily Litella.

P.S. At the time there was a study showing NAR was the top political donor and the NRA was not in the list of top 10 organizations donating money.
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Re: Article on history of Congressman Dingell and the NRA

Postby daleamn on Sun Jul 30, 2023 2:26 pm

There's over 800 comments on the New York Times website about the article. I can't read the comments unless I do some registering with the NYT and I'm not going to do that. If anybody and the time and the resources I'd be interested in the tone of the comments about the article.
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Re: Article on history of Congressman Dingell and the NRA

Postby daleamn on Sun Jul 30, 2023 3:02 pm

Well, I was able to read the article in the Star Tribune and the comments too. Thank you warriac for posting that it was available in the Star Tribune too.
Very disheartening. The lies and half truths abound. Here's some excerpts from the comments.

For the past 30+ years, the GOP has blocked any effort to control the amount and type of guns in the US. As a result, we are now a society that lives in fear.


incarceration does not reduce new crime.


why are GOP states passing laws to make an open access of guns to the criminals to get as they wish?


Someone who committed murder already gets life in prison.


The Civil War ended when photos of battlefields were published.


The attack [the attack that killed the Fargo police officer] was “all made possible because of what is known as a binary trigger,” he said. “Everything you hit, you’ll hit twice, because you got the binary trigger.”


Interesting also that the AR was sold as something to increase manhood in an era when that was declining.


At the time the 2nd was written, WE HAD NO STANDING ARMY. Militias of citizens were given guns to act as an Army.
NOW those militias are our National Guards. Of the 2nd, we had muskets. The vullet/cartridge wasn't invented until 1847.


and the USCode militia 246 defines the well regulated militia as the National Guard.
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Re: Article on history of Congressman Dingell and the NRA

Postby IvanTheTerribleShot on Sun Jul 30, 2023 3:33 pm

daleamn wrote:There's over 800 comments on the New York Times website about the article. I can't read the comments unless I do some registering with the NYT and I'm not going to do that. If anybody and the time and the resources I'd be interested in the tone of the comments about the article.


If you (sufficiently quickly so the advertisement does not crowd it out) click on the callout box at the bottom of visible part of the screen, you should be able to see the comments popping up on the right.
Or, if the ad gets you, you still can zoom out with Ctrl - (Pressing down Ctrl key and briefly pressing Minus key a few times) to bring the said callout box in the view, click it to reveal the comments, and press Ctrl 0 (that's zero, not letter O) to reset the zoom.

I just glanced at one random comment which does not even directly relate to the subject of the article (it must have been a particularly unlucky glance,) and deeply regret it. Something about restricting reproduction of hunters, and prescribing what diet they should eat.
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Re: Article on history of Congressman Dingell and the NRA

Postby Lumpy on Sun Jul 30, 2023 7:30 pm

Markemp wrote:Here's a GPT4 summary of the article for those who don't have a subscription.


If it's worth quoting, how about submitting a human-written summary rather than the product of a pseudo-intelligent software program that's been criticized for making stuff up?
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Re: Article on history of Congressman Dingell and the NRA

Postby Markemp on Sun Jul 30, 2023 7:52 pm

Lumpy wrote:
Markemp wrote:Here's a GPT4 summary of the article for those who don't have a subscription.


If it's worth quoting, how about submitting a human-written summary rather than the product of a pseudo-intelligent software program that's been criticized for making stuff up?


What part of the summary did you find inaccurate?
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Re: Article on history of Congressman Dingell and the NRA

Postby Holland&Holland on Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:56 pm

daleamn wrote:I find a huge logical gap in the gun-grabbers claim about the NRA buying Senators and Congresspersons---why don't the gun-grabbers just buy them back? Heaven knows there's plenty of money on their side of the argument.

Semi-humorous bit of satire about the NRA contributing to politicians:
A couple years ago somebody was looking into what groups were contributing the most money to political campaigns. (Turns out the NRA is an absolute piker (they don't contribute much) compared to other organizations.) The article was an absolute tirade about how the NRA was contributing to SO MANY campaigns and was contributing SO MUCH money and then (here's the satire bit) the author realizes he was looking at the stats for the NAR (National Association of Realtors) and not the NRA. He ended the rant with a hangdog "Never mind." a la Saturday Night Live's Emily Litella.

P.S. At the time there was a study showing NAR was the top political donor and the NRA was not in the list of top 10 organizations donating money.

Silly Rabbit, only leftists are allowed to buy political power.
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