Liberty safe

[Rotary12]

Outage is that Liberty released the information "without" court order.
I could be wrong, but there may not have been a court order issued.

From what I have seen, the warrant was for a search of the house and Liberty Safe Co. was not named on the warrant. I'm not a lawyer, but to me it seems that the judge would have to issue a warrant to Liberty to get the combination from them.

[daleamn]

I'm still looking for an answer to my question:
Is there a 'backdoor' combination to the safe that Liberty has, that cannot be changed by the owner of the safe?

[Rip Van Winkle]

I'm still looking for an answer to my question:
Is there a 'backdoor' combination to the safe that Liberty has, that cannot be changed by the owner of the safe?

I don't know the answer.

The only way Liberty could know the combination would be if they keep a database of combinations by serial number or they have a back door.

Neither is an acceptable option as far as I'm concerned.

I have a 30 year old Browning gunsafe, Now I'm wondering how secure that is.

[Rotary12]

From what I heard is that the backdoor co.bination cannot be changed by the owner of the safe. I don't know if all the safes have the same master or if they are in groups.

[jdege]

From what I heard is that the backdoor co.bination cannot be changed by the owner of the safe. I don't know if all the safes have the same master or if they are in groups.

I bought a really cheap safe to provide fire protection for important documents. (My gun cabinets are keyed.)

That cheap safe had an fixed combination, but I'd have expected any safe of quality to allow the combination to be set.

[dismal]

This security expert has a pretty good take on the issue:

https://youtu.be/Gesfh39-xlo?feature=shared

[Lumpy]

"Liberty" Safes: making it easier for third parties to liberate the contents of your safe.

[Rip Van Winkle]

From what I understand, it's just the safes with the electronic combination locks that are affected.

Mechanical locks, like mine, are fine.

[daleamn]

dismal-Thanks for the link. There's a lot of good information from that guy, he doesn't answer my question but supplies a bunch of information about safes that I did not know.

[crbutler]

To the best of my knowledge, all a safe does is delay entrance to what’s in it.

.gov has safe crackers, which can get in if they want, and your property (the safe) is damaged by doing so.

That the government coerced the company to provide the combination doesn’t surprise me. Your defense against .gov is in the courts afterwards, and that’s pretty minimalist.

The safe also slows down access for thieves but can’t stop them - hopefully it slows them enough to disrupt the attempt, but it might not.

I don’t have a liberty safe, but the one I do have has an electric lock, and while they state you can change it, I suspect like anything electronic, there is a back door… as the way they wrote it was if you change the combination, we will not be able to open it for you (not can’t, won’t).

You have something you don’t want accessed easily, it’s better to use a safe deposit box. It would require its own warrant as it’s a different location. But it still is accessible if they want to.

[dismal]

To me the big concern is not that they can access it (anyone with an angle grinder can) but that they can potentially access it without the owner knowing.

[jdege]

To me the big concern is not that they can access it (anyone with an angle grinder can) but that they can potentially access it without the owner knowing.

My concern is that some hacker could steal the whole thing and start selling it on the dark web.

[Holland&Holland]

Too bad liberty safes are required.

[daleamn]

Just curious, not being argumentative, when are Liberty safes required?

[Jackpine Savage]

H&H is probably old like me. Guns used to be hung on the wall or kept in a gun display case that you made in wood shop.