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FL SHOOTS LEGALLY armed motorist - OFFICER SAFETY

Postby jdege on Thu Jan 02, 2025 12:49 pm

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Postby Ranb on Tue Jan 07, 2025 10:21 pm

Allowing police officers to kill a person just because they have a gun, for the most part negates the 2nd Amendment rights we are supposed to be able to enjoy.
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Postby Sorcerer on Wed Jan 08, 2025 9:32 am

Ranb wrote:Allowing police officers to kill a person just because they have a gun, for the most part negates the 2nd Amendment rights we are supposed to be able to enjoy.

You must not have listened to the video. No one was killed and the victim was shot with his own gun while the officer was removing the firearm during a traffic stop. Florida does not have a requirement to inform officers of a firearm yet for unknown reasons he informed the officer. Many officers are not gun guys, it’s a tool on the belt. In the article it is stated the gun was in an holster, also unknown if it was a dedicated or fits all holster, possibly a garment stuck in the trigger guard or poor holster design or a booger hook placed in the wrong spot or a combination of all. I had an interaction once in a traffic stop that because of the design of the center console and how I was carrying that the chance of a surprise peek was extremely high that I determined that it was better to disclose than to take a chance of having the stop escalated. I was not removed from my car nor disarmed.
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Postby Ranb on Wed Jan 08, 2025 9:55 am

I did not watch the video. But police shooting Americans happens often enough that it is like we do not actually have a 2nd Amendment right to bear arms.

All police officers receive enough training that ensures they would not have negligent discharges if they actually gave a damn about what they were doing.
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Postby crbutler on Wed Jan 08, 2025 1:33 pm

Ranb wrote:I did not watch the video. But police shooting Americans happens often enough that it is like we do not actually have a 2nd Amendment right to bear arms.

All police officers receive enough training that ensures they would not have negligent discharges if they actually gave a damn about what they were doing.


How many shootings occur due to stupidity and criminality as opposed to an active attempt to disarm the general public?

A violation of an individual’s rights is not necessarily a systemic removal of rights.

As to enough training, I doubt they receive enough training to handle all situations.

I’ve received some basic military training in explosives. Does that mean I should be able to deal with any faulty explosive device I come across?

Similarly, I’ve had a fair amount of medical training. Does that mean I can handle any medical event that I encounter?

There are instances where a firearm may be unsafe that a very highly trained individual can use it safely, but someone who has passed safety training and basic familiarization would not… think a damaged holster or a release trigger trap gun.
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Postby Ranb on Wed Jan 08, 2025 7:35 pm

I think it is systemic. A police officer is typically held to a far lower standard when it comes to discharging a firearm. Can I just open fire and injure or kill someone and then later claim I was protecting society or I feared for my life? And then expect there to be no charges filed or acquitted at trial? Probably not.

Daniel Shaver was killed by a police officer whose motto was "You're ****", after the police gave him conflicting orders. Another related problem is that Brailsford was the kind of officer that the Mesa PD wanted on the force. They hired him back to the police department even though county attorney said the shooting was unjustified.

Jonathan Aledda was allowed to stay out of prison and had the full support of his PD after he shot a man laying in the street with his hands up. He shot him with a rifle from 50 yards away and was allowed to remain free mainly because he said he was trying to shoot the retarded man holding a toy truck instead.

These are typical of bad officers who should not be allowed to ever touch a firearm.
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