JJH wrote:I have shot out at Elk River a couple times when there were shooting at 300. I haven't got a chance to try 600. I'm shooting a Blueprinted 700, 1-14" 6mmBR.
70g Matchking over H335.
First time out I scored 180 and a couple X's (that was on a completely undeveloped load because they made me shoot over 70g). The next week I had a little time to get a load tweaked, and managed a 194 4X on a day with shifting winds 5-15.
JJH wrote:I have shot out at Elk River a couple times when there were shooting at 300. I haven't got a chance to try 600. I'm shooting a Blueprinted 700, 1-14" 6mmBR.
70g Matchking over H335.
First time out I scored 180 and a couple X's (that was on a completely undeveloped load because they made me shoot over 70g). The next week I had a little time to get a load tweaked, and managed a 194 4X on a day with shifting winds 5-15.
JoeH wrote:I was helping teach an FAS class at Elk River this weekend. We took the kids to the KD range to see some 600 yard shooting. The kids were impressed.
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Erud wrote:What kind of turn out did they get this weekend at ER? Heard there wasn't a single sling shooter in the bunch.
farmerj wrote:F-class.....
Keeps looking more and more like poor man's benchrest to me....
That is a purdy savage there though. Did NSS do the port opening on the left side for it?
RAGGED wrote:Erud wrote:What kind of turn out did they get this weekend at ER? Heard there wasn't a single sling shooter in the bunch.
I was only able to attend Saturdays team match, turnout was pretty good, there was at least one sling shooter because I swapped in one of those GIGANTIC Highpower targets a few times! I know at all the MRC matches it was about 80-90% F-Class as well, maybe one 3pos and one sling each time. Let’s not pretend modern sling shooting is any more “pure” than F-Class, T2k tube guns, insane sights, hand stops, gloves, coats, hats, expensive spotting scopes and stands ect…… I think for most people that’s just too much gear to have to buy, to shoot F-Class all you have to do is throw a bipod on your most accurate rifle and have at it. You can be right in the thick of it with a $100 Caldwell BR rest and a Savage with an aftermarket bbl.farmerj wrote:F-class.....
Keeps looking more and more like poor man's benchrest to me....
That is a purdy savage there though. Did NSS do the port opening on the left side for it?
I’m not sure I agree with the poor man’s benchrest, for one, its shot prone and not from a bench!
It’s really a good opportunity for your avg joe to bring out equipment he already has and shoot at some targets without feeling too out of place, but to consistently win matches you are going to need equipment that is every bit on par with the best benchrest guns out there, most high level F-Class rifles are running the same actions as the bench guys, stocks from the same makers, bbls from the same makers, about the only difference between an F-Class rifle and a Light BR gun is the stock ergonomics. Also the course of fire demands F-Class shooters be better at wind reading than BR guys who fire 5 rounds at a time, the wind can change a bit in a 20rd string.
The dual port Savage action is a factory piece, it’s available as a standalone action but can also be had on some of the Savage complete rifle, like the BR and maybe a LRPV.
Erud wrote:
I don't know if I'd agree about the cost of shooting HP. You can shoot Service Rifle with a decent coat, sling, glove, mat and scope for $2k or so and a lot of guys do. Kind of the HP version of "F-T/R". You can always spend as much money as you want on a given hobby, but you don't have to. Same as with F-Class though, most of the best shooters move up to a Match Rifle sooner or later - mostly after legging out.
The MRC winter 300 meter prone matches are mostly for F-Class shooters, there was also a every-other Saturday HP league that ran a 50-shot NM course match every 2 weeks. There were no F-Class shooters at the 300 Meter state championship matches in April at MRC. I've got nothing against F-Class, it's just a little too "disconnected" for me - shooting with a scope makes me feel like I'm doing load development.
Also, that "GIGANTIC" (1 MOA X-ring) HP target doesn't seem quite as big when you are shooting at it with sights(no magnification) and are supporting the rifle from positions, not laying next to it. It's the original target, the F-Class targets were made smaller when F-Class got started because it's not exactly the same challenge with a high-mag scope, sandbags, and bipod or rest. I even saw guys out at Lodi pounding tent stakes into the grass to anchor their front rests.
Are you going down to Red Wing on Saturday for the Team State Championship? Should be a fun match.
RAGGED wrote:Erud wrote:
I don't know if I'd agree about the cost of shooting HP. You can shoot Service Rifle with a decent coat, sling, glove, mat and scope for $2k or so and a lot of guys do. Kind of the HP version of "F-T/R". You can always spend as much money as you want on a given hobby, but you don't have to. Same as with F-Class though, most of the best shooters move up to a Match Rifle sooner or later - mostly after legging out.
The MRC winter 300 meter prone matches are mostly for F-Class shooters, there was also a every-other Saturday HP league that ran a 50-shot NM course match every 2 weeks. There were no F-Class shooters at the 300 Meter state championship matches in April at MRC. I've got nothing against F-Class, it's just a little too "disconnected" for me - shooting with a scope makes me feel like I'm doing load development.
Also, that "GIGANTIC" (1 MOA X-ring) HP target doesn't seem quite as big when you are shooting at it with sights(no magnification) and are supporting the rifle from positions, not laying next to it. It's the original target, the F-Class targets were made smaller when F-Class got started because it's not exactly the same challenge with a high-mag scope, sandbags, and bipod or rest. I even saw guys out at Lodi pounding tent stakes into the grass to anchor their front rests.
Are you going down to Red Wing on Saturday for the Team State Championship? Should be a fun match.
I always like to get you HP guys fired up
Me and some buddies were going to shoot F-Class at the MRC event but the price to enter was way to high so we said forget it, first place would have taken home about 1/4 of the price to enter, after MRC, MRRA and NRA get their cut there just wasn't anything left considering the likely size of the field. George didn't really do a good job letting people know F-Class could be shot, most had no clue at all, it more or less seemed like a 2nd thought, George is a good buy, but it’s clear he’s a HP shooter first.
In all honestly it’s pointless to compare the two disciplines, one is a much more precise and relies on the quality of the ammunition much more, the other takes a bit more skill on the field and demands the shooter have good fundamentals and form, both will benefit from strategy the same. For me I hunt with scopes, not open sites, so F-Class is a good fit because it's very similar to how id be shooting in the field. I also get a kick of the tiny little groups! I think they have done a good job leveling the playing field, the target is harder, the classification is harder with 98% High Master, all in all its gotten allot more people shooting NRA matches and that’s always a good thing!
I don’t have a team so I don’t think I’ll be going, also need to do a little work on the load, it’s shooting good, but not perfect, and I’m quickly running out of time on this bbl, damn 243's
Erud wrote:What kind of turn out did they get this weekend at ER? Heard there wasn't a single sling shooter in the bunch.
RAGGED wrote:Erud wrote:
I don't know if I'd agree about the cost of shooting HP. You can shoot Service Rifle with a decent coat, sling, glove, mat and scope for $2k or so and a lot of guys do. Kind of the HP version of "F-T/R". You can always spend as much money as you want on a given hobby, but you don't have to. Same as with F-Class though, most of the best shooters move up to a Match Rifle sooner or later - mostly after legging out.
The MRC winter 300 meter prone matches are mostly for F-Class shooters, there was also a every-other Saturday HP league that ran a 50-shot NM course match every 2 weeks. There were no F-Class shooters at the 300 Meter state championship matches in April at MRC. I've got nothing against F-Class, it's just a little too "disconnected" for me - shooting with a scope makes me feel like I'm doing load development.
Also, that "GIGANTIC" (1 MOA X-ring) HP target doesn't seem quite as big when you are shooting at it with sights(no magnification) and are supporting the rifle from positions, not laying next to it. It's the original target, the F-Class targets were made smaller when F-Class got started because it's not exactly the same challenge with a high-mag scope, sandbags, and bipod or rest. I even saw guys out at Lodi pounding tent stakes into the grass to anchor their front rests.
Are you going down to Red Wing on Saturday for the Team State Championship? Should be a fun match.
I always like to get you HP guys fired up
Me and some buddies were going to shoot F-Class at the MRC event but the price to enter was way to high so we said forget it, first place would have taken home about 1/4 of the price to enter, after MRC, MRRA and NRA get their cut there just wasn't anything left considering the likely size of the field. George didn't really do a good job letting people know F-Class could be shot, most had no clue at all, it more or less seemed like a 2nd thought, George is a good buy, but it’s clear he’s a HP shooter first.
In all honestly it’s pointless to compare the two disciplines, one is a much more precise and relies on the quality of the ammunition much more, the other takes a bit more skill on the field and demands the shooter have good fundamentals and form, both will benefit from strategy the same. For me I hunt with scopes, not open sites, so F-Class is a good fit because it's very similar to how id be shooting in the field. I also get a kick of the tiny little groups! I think they have done a good job leveling the playing field, the target is harder, the classification is harder with 98% High Master, all in all its gotten allot more people shooting NRA matches and that’s always a good thing!
I don’t have a team so I don’t think I’ll be going, also need to do a little work on the load, it’s shooting good, but not perfect, and I’m quickly running out of time on this bbl, damn 243's
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