LongRange wrote:OK well I can see where this is headed, someone took the 338L pill and now thinks its the end all be all.. So be it, keep shooting your rock chucker if it makes you feel like a "super sniper" , the reason the government uses the round is COST. It sure as hell isnt due to performance. Next thing you will tell us is the use of a 50 cal is for performance when in fact it is due to the mass amounts of ww2 surplus ammo they were holding and figured it was a good use of it.
Your thought are so completely jumbled it’s hard to form a response because they go every which way, you do realize you pretty much just stated that SOCOM is looking at 338 caliber rifle submissions because like WW2 surplus 50 cal rounds they are cheap and plentiful? Then just sentences later you admit the round didn’t even hit the market till 1999…… make up your mind. I really have zero allegiance to any caliber (unlike you) I’d be happy with any big 338 whether it be the RUM, the Edge or god forbid the WBY, the only thing that pushed me to the Lapua was the quality brass and a pretty nice rifle that came chambered in it from the factory, I don’t know about you but that seems like pretty solid logic to me and by no means puts me into some ultra-biased fanboy camp.
My numbers are what they are
Whats that? Made up and completely fabricated? You have ZERO proof of this .695 BC and ZERO independent corroboration, and yet your comparing it to off the shell bullets I could go buy from Gunstop this afternoon? Again give me a break, you’re nuckin futs!
I can understand the resentment after swallowing the spoon fed bs of the 338L, but saying a NON-BELTED cartridge is "one of the strongest" cases there is is simply REDICULOUS! Most factory Weatherby rounds run a steady 64000 CUP, hell the action used for most 338L builds cant tolerate over 72000 CUP, while any Mark V action can withstand over 125000 CUP. In case you arent aware, the 338L MAXIMUM CUP LOAD IS 60,910..
In case you’re not aware this has been debate over the 338L 60k cup rating for years, while the 300LM maintains its 68K cup rating its big brother got had its 68k rating backed down to 60K, so tell me how a round with the EXACT same parent case can have a different yield point, it can’t, look at all your WBY’s, the max pressure is the same for the case no matter what the neck is set at, 300 & 338 RUM, same case different neck, same 65K cup rating, why is it that the 338L got a downgrade? I’ll tell you why, it was a knee jerk reaction made by some bloated governing body, plain and simple, the case is one of the strongest out there, this is undisputed.
that’s It, no more or you will be digging brass from your bolt face, try it and see. I happen to know this because in pushing rounds INCLUDING THE 338L to its max, I have stretched more than one action
When using bullets with monster .750-.818 BC’s you don’t need to run them on the edge, so there is no issue, it whoops your made up fairy tale round without any magic, just a big long heavy bullet that leaves the stick at a pretty good rate of speed.
Next thing you will be saying is that the 338L outperforms a 338-378 WBY magnum.. simply because unlike the wildcat 338L that is a maxed out round
The 338L is not a Wildcat, not even close, I’m sure many many more 338L are sold each year than your 338 WBY, and factory ammo is no more maxed out that any of WBY offerings, it can push bullets with less powder because its more efficient, its larger in diameter, same reason why many of the short mags can push pills to long action mag specs with less powder.
As for my .277 round with a .695 B.C , as i put in my last posting, I had it Swaged by a gentlement in Louisiana, after we were unable to get any more XLC style rounds.
So your still maintaining you have a 120gr pill with a .695 BC in .277 caliber?
I did note that there are very high B.C rounds in the 338 class however they are mostly unuseable in almost all weapons built in that class, as you stated, a rebarrel would be needed
Again, lay off the crack pipe, almost every single rifle sold in 338L is completely capable of shooting 300gr pills including the .768 SMK and the .818 BC Berger, 1-10 twist is all it takes, the re-bbl only comes into play with the custom rounds (like yours) that are lathe turned and are much much longer requiring a 1-7/8 twist vs the 1-10 twist that is standard on 98% of all factory 338L rifles .
Now the one thing noboy has mentioned is the accuracy of such rounds, when in fact a high B.C does not mean and accurate round, anyone here want to guess what the best group a .338L firing a B.C over .400 has ever shot at a grand? I have a Benjamin that says its larger than 10".
You are so full of it, My TRG, a 1005 complete factory rifle will run better than 10” @ 1000 all day long and that’s typical of most owners, it will run 1-2” @ 400 yds in the wind and off a shaky bipod, If I put a forearm plate on it and run it off my SEB rest it will do even better, I have single digit ES’s on my rounds, my experience has always been that rounds loaded to the absolute max rarely group well, the best accuracy node is often found a bit lower than that, speed and pressure start to do very odd things near the top of the ladder, speed is nothing without accuracy. Let me know when you want to see it, we can hit GRRC any time you want, bring your speed demon and we can verify chrono data and bullet drop @ 1000
Lets see this in a USEABLE manner.. will a .277 caliber round with over 1000lb feet of energy be lethal to animal and personel? Will it drop less? be more field adjustable? well the round I am shooting is supersonic to 2100 meters.. the 338L is supersonic to 1300 Meters, the 338 drops twice as much even when compared to a FACTORY HUNTING ROUND.
Again who cares about drop, at 1000yd ranges it’s not like you are doing Kentucky windage and holding over, you are making a sizable scope adjustment and it’s just as easy to come up 25 MOA as it is to come up 23. Supersonic till 1300? Again give it up, stop trying to sand bag the 338’s with crappy .4 BC’s, with the 300gr SMK’s and Bergers EVERYONE runs they are supersonic well past 1500 yds, nearly 2000 yards when loaded near the edge of the pressure range using the Bergers (not over)
So please tell these good folks how PRACTICAL a 338L is in comparison please? Oh yea and BTW, there are 1.06 B.C 30 cal rounds, they are Kirkasite and not legal for use here, so where would that put your 338L against a standard 300 win mag? Welcome to the world of weapons, you have alot to learn just as I do, I simply choose to not do it with blinders on.
You are way too much fun, so let me get this straight, the 338L is unpractical, even thoe I can go buy bullets for it in town at a modest price and they will run right with your Wildcat running hand made custom bullets and shockingly they don’t measure up to the performance of something you can’t even buy, yes, very unpractical. I think it’s funny that you have to wildcat a round, get custom made bullets and use BC’s half of what they should be just to make your case.
In case you were wondering, the Kirkasite rounds was tested in the 30-378WBY @ 8000fps in a 100gr design and over 6600 ft lbs of energy, wanna run the calculator on that and see where it falls as the end all be all?
Yay for WBY, I bet you could load a 338L case to damn near the same specs, what’s this have to do with the price of tea in china? You have to be the single worst debater I’ve ever encountered.
