M1A or AR.308?

[yuppiejr]

perhaps masked gunmen kicking in my front door? or maybe tromping through the woods with a group of other patriots?

So basically you're looking for a rifle that you can use to take on organized police/military that may be wearing body armor in a fictional post-apocalyptic survival scenario a-la "Lights-Out", etc..

Focusing on the original topic and forgetting the whole patriot militia/defeating body armor bit...

Is the AR10 a standard platform that will interchange parts easily in an absence of commercial sources like the M1a? Which design has been truly battle proven in a variety of climates and conditions? I like the concept of the AR10 platform, primarily because I think highly of the .308 Winchester / 7.62 NATO cartridge... just not sure how it would hold up in the scenarios you are obviously considering, I haven't seen any really strong data sets on torture tests of the platform outside of a shooting range. Your best bet is to take the initiative and educate yourself using Google and get some trigger time on both platforms to make up your mind, then perhaps ask SPECIFIC questions based on your research and observations about the merits of each platform. The FN-FAL and H&K G91 are other solid 7.62 NATO battle rifles with a long history of military service that have not been mentioned but should bear consideration.

Short version - both good rifles, I prefer the ergonomics and operation of the AR platform rifle but, like me, most people giving you advice have already done their own homework to end up with an opinion on the matter. You'd probably get a better response if you offered some perspective of your own based on experience/research and then asked for opinions rather than jumping all over topics in the same thread from a generic "which is better" to defeating body armor and wandering in the woods in a patriot militia?

[tman]

I haven't seen any really strong data sets on torture tests of the platform outside of a shooting range.

According to the current American Rifleman, the military is using the AR-10 platform in Afghanistan because of the distances involved. Nice article on sniping..

[buymoreammo]

Do your own research Google will answer any questions you have. When you post on a board about patriots,zombie apocalypse,bad guys wearing body armor. you sound uninformed. Racking the slide on a shotgun will send 99.9% of bad guys running for the hills. Get a Mossberg or Remington 870 cheap but dependable. Situational awareness will also go a long way, neighbors that look out for each other is a huge deterrent also.

This was not a personal attack.

Good Luck

Thank you!

[buymoreammo]

Do your own research Google will answer any questions you have. When you post on a board about patriots,zombie apocalypse,bad guys wearing body armor. you sound uninformed. Racking the slide on a shotgun will send 99.9% of bad guys running for the hills. Get a Mossberg or Remington 870 cheap but dependable. Situational awareness will also go a long way, neighbors that look out for each other is a huge deterrent also.

This was not a personal attack.

Good Luck

Thank you!

[buymoreammo]

perhaps masked gunmen kicking in my front door? or maybe tromping through the woods with a group of other patriots?

So basically you're looking for a rifle that you can use to take on organized police/military that may be wearing body armor in a fictional post-apocalyptic survival scenario a-la "Lights-Out", etc..

Focusing on the original topic and forgetting the whole patriot militia/defeating body armor bit...

Is the AR10 a standard platform that will interchange parts easily in an absence of commercial sources like the M1a? Which design has been truly battle proven in a variety of climates and conditions? I like the concept of the AR10 platform, primarily because I think highly of the .308 Winchester / 7.62 NATO cartridge... just not sure how it would hold up in the scenarios you are obviously considering, I haven't seen any really strong data sets on torture tests of the platform outside of a shooting range. Your best bet is to take the initiative and educate yourself using Google and get some trigger time on both platforms to make up your mind, then perhaps ask SPECIFIC questions based on your research and observations about the merits of each platform. The FN-FAL and H&K G91 are other solid 7.62 NATO battle rifles with a long history of military service that have not been mentioned but should bear consideration.

Short version - both good rifles, I prefer the ergonomics and operation of the AR platform rifle but, like me, most people giving you advice have already done their own homework to end up with an opinion on the matter. You'd probably get a better response if you offered some perspective of your own based on experience/research and then asked for opinions rather than jumping all over topics in the same thread from a generic "which is better" to defeating body armor and wandering in the woods in a patriot militia?

thank you!

[Dutch]

What would be a better combat rifle, an M1A or an AR.308?

FAL

[rukwikenuf]

I haven't seen any really strong data sets on torture tests of the platform outside of a shooting range.

According to the current American Rifleman, the military is using the AR-10 platform in Afghanistan because of the distances involved. Nice article on sniping..

Knight's Armament is making the US Army's M110 SASS, Semi Automatic Sniping System, based around an AR-10. Check it out, it's a bad mo-fo

[rukwikenuf]

perhaps masked gunmen kicking in my front door? or maybe tromping through the woods with a group of other patriots?

So basically you're looking for a rifle that you can use to take on organized police/military that may be wearing body armor in a fictional post-apocalyptic survival scenario a-la "Lights-Out", etc..

Focusing on the original topic and forgetting the whole patriot militia/defeating body armor bit...

Is the AR10 a standard platform that will interchange parts easily in an absence of commercial sources like the M1a? Which design has been truly battle proven in a variety of climates and conditions? I like the concept of the AR10 platform, primarily because I think highly of the .308 Winchester / 7.62 NATO cartridge... just not sure how it would hold up in the scenarios you are obviously considering, I haven't seen any really strong data sets on torture tests of the platform outside of a shooting range. Your best bet is to take the initiative and educate yourself using Google and get some trigger time on both platforms to make up your mind, then perhaps ask SPECIFIC questions based on your research and observations about the merits of each platform. The FN-FAL and H&K G91 are other solid 7.62 NATO battle rifles with a long history of military service that have not been mentioned but should bear consideration.

Short version - both good rifles, I prefer the ergonomics and operation of the AR platform rifle but, like me, most people giving you advice have already done their own homework to end up with an opinion on the matter. You'd probably get a better response if you offered some perspective of your own based on experience/research and then asked for opinions rather than jumping all over topics in the same thread from a generic "which is better" to defeating body armor and wandering in the woods in a patriot militia?

just to make sure we're all on the same page here, there is NO MilSpec for the AR-10 platform. NONE! this is because the Armalite AR-10 wasn't ever awarded any true military contracts. other manufacturers, like DPMS, LMT, LWRC, POF, etc, have either used the AR10 design from ArmaLite, or they changed it up. that's the reason that the DPMS catalog says their uppers for .308s are only compatable with DPMS lowers. same for the other companies i listed.

just a heads up

[farmerj]

Thought the current m110 was based off the SR-25, not the ar-10. Of which, a lot less of the parts are interchangeable on the SR25 than the AR10

http://www.biggerhammer.net/stoner/sr25var10/

[rukwikenuf]

Thought the current m110 was based off the SR-25, not the ar-10. Of which, a lot less of the parts are interchangeable on the SR25 than the AR10

http://www.biggerhammer.net/stoner/sr25var10/

you're probably right. i'm just saying that the parts you find on Gunbroker or Cheaper Than Dirt might not fit. if the rifle is a LMT and the spare upper you want is a DPMS, they might not go together. then again, they might! i've just been cautioned about parts interchangability with the .308 ARs

[farmerj]

It's exactly that variation that keeps me away from the AR10/SR25 platform. There is no consistency and you have to be too careful about what parts you get.

The uncertainty right here of the M110 being based off the AR10 vs the SR25 is just one example. DPMS vs Armalite is another.

[Snowgun]

It's exactly that variation that keeps me away from the AR10/SR25 platform. There is no consistency and you have to be too careful about what parts you get.

The uncertainty right here of the M110 being based off the AR10 vs the SR25 is just one example. DPMS vs Armalite is another.

Check out the MA-TEN 308 receiver, they take both Armalite and DPMS parts.

[dshortone]

PTR-91. Inexpensive mags.

[AFTERMATH]

M1A
- It speaks for itself.

[PhilaBOR]

Of course the interchangeability thing depends on how much futzing you want to do. I have a carbine and long range gun, both DPMS 308. No problem getting spare parts from the factory. Both are more accurate than I am. In a serious grid-down situation, I've got a "parts" gun. But I'm not constantly building up custom guns like some guys like to do.