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[Pat]

LRPK, pretty complete with pistol grip, about $60.
Fixed stock, cost me $20. Collapsable, probably from $40-80.
Upper receiver you can get from Del-tone cheaper than Model 1.

I didn't care to "assemble" my upper as it requires more special tools that I didn't have at the time. In time, I would and plan on though.

magazines and the accessories will end up costing as much as the rifle I am finding out.

Especially when you start to look at the price of optics... Sheesh!

[farmerj]

there are options. I have never tried em out. just know of them.

http://www.1337tactical.com/shop/produc ... p?typeId=1

[MisterOblivious]

there are options. I have never tried em out. just know of them.

http://www.1337tactical.com/shop/produc ... p?typeId=1

Has the word "tactical" in it's name
Has the "word" "elite" in its name
Is a foreign company
Is a foreign company willing to declare the value of goods shipped across the boarder as $80 so you can sneak the item into the country and avoid paying duty taxes

Q: Do I need to pay duty tax when the package go in to my country?
A: Depends on your countries custom policy, usually you don't need to pay for the duty tax when the package declares value less than 80USD. We always do our best to help our customers avoid extra change.

Sells the same knockoff airsoft gear at the same prices you can find from American companies without worrying about sneaking it past customs.

Any variation of elite, leet, l33t or 1337 is code for "run like hell" when in reference to online stores.

[Stradawhovious]

Again, a rookie question.......

Butt-stock choice......... is there a reason, other than looks (and the obvious adjustability), that I should be looking towards the way tacticool 4 or 6 way adjustabel aluminum or composite stocks. instead the more traditional looking composites........ is there a big weight difference?

And does anyone know if Gunstop carries parts? (i.e. lower parts kits, stocks, etc.) I'd rather feed the local stores than order online, especially John boy.

[farmerj]

Couple insights.

Fixed stock buffer tube is the same for the A2 and the A1 stocks. There is however a 1" spacer that is needed for the A2 stock.

In other words, the A1 stock is an inch shorter than the A2 stock for the smaller in stature folk out there. IE kids women and small framed men or if you are wearing some seriously thick clothing like out coyote hunting in the winter.

Collapsible stocks IMO are a breakage waiting to happen. The fact that I kept ordering those stocks for the arms room when I was in Kosovo is testament to it. And these guys weren't doing any fighting like in Iraq or Afghanistan.

All the guys really did with them is toss em in the trucks and ride around with them.

Otherwise, to each there own. What do you want it to do?

[indeed_mandy]

What parts would you need to buy before the ban went into place (if it goes into place) and what parts should still be available post ban.

I know this is speculation, but I wasn't in the paying the least bit of attention during the last ban.

I would also be interested in a "building class" or whatever. Or at least building it or parts of it with some one.

Have a good one,
indeed

[hammAR]

Again, a rookie question.......

Butt-stock choice......... is there a reason, other than looks (and the obvious adjustability), that I should be looking towards the way tacticool 4 or 6 way adjustabel aluminum or composite stocks. instead the more traditional looking composites........ is there a big weight difference?

And does anyone know if Gunstop carries parts? (i.e. lower parts kits, stocks, etc.) I'd rather feed the local stores than order online, especially John boy.

For an M4 clone, I would take a very serious look at the Sully Stock rather than a adjustable............
for just the reason that farmerj discussed...
you do not want to be in the sheite and have the darn thing break on you....................

but then again that's my $.02........BTDT

[Stradawhovious]

Thanks guys, I kinda figured that, but wanted to be sure.

[farmerj]

What parts would you need to buy before the ban went into place (if it goes into place) and what parts should still be available post ban.

I know this is speculation, but I wasn't in the paying the least bit of attention during the last ban.

I would also be interested in a "building class" or whatever. Or at least building it or parts of it with some one.

Have a good one,
indeed

The lower receiver is the biggy item here that is the target.

[JoeH]

What parts would you need to buy before the ban went into place (if it goes into place) and what parts should still be available post ban.

I know this is speculation, but I wasn't in the paying the least bit of attention during the last ban.

I would also be interested in a "building class" or whatever. Or at least building it or parts of it with some one.

Have a good one,
indeed

It will depend on the terms of the ban. Many people are caught up in getting lowers before a potential ban. The lower has the serial number and is considered to be the "gun".

However, I have it from a reliable source that the gun should be assembled before a ban goes into place to be legal. So, buying a lower before a ban, then buying an upper after a ban goes into effect and assembling the rifle may be illegal.

If he's correct you'll want to have receipts for the lower, upper, and lower parts before a ban goes into effect.

[tullibee]

Again, a rookie question.......

Butt-stock choice......... is there a reason, other than looks (and the obvious adjustability), that I should be looking towards the way tacticool 4 or 6 way adjustabel aluminum or composite stocks. instead the more traditional looking composites........ is there a big weight difference?

And does anyone know if Gunstop carries parts? (i.e. lower parts kits, stocks, etc.) I'd rather feed the local stores than order online, especially John boy.

Gunstop had parts the last couple times I was there - no guarantee they still have stock now! lowers were around $110, Tapko stocks were ~60, and parts kits were ~60 when I assembled one not too many moons ago. they also had DPMS M4 uppers in a couple styles not long ago for $5?? (upper and a stock plus tax was ~600) but at the time, they only had a few.

[Stradawhovious]

Thanks. As far as I know, they are out of lowers, and do have DPMS lower parts kits in stock for $59. This is as of this afternoon.

[MisterOblivious]

What parts would you need to buy before the ban went into place (if it goes into place) and what parts should still be available post ban.

I know this is speculation, but I wasn't in the paying the least bit of attention during the last ban.

I would also be interested in a "building class" or whatever. Or at least building it or parts of it with some one.

Have a good one,
indeed

It will depend on the terms of the ban. Many people are caught up in getting lowers before a potential ban. The lower has the serial number and is considered to be the "gun".

However, I have it from a reliable source that the gun should be assembled before a ban goes into place to be legal. So, buying a lower before a ban, then buying an upper after a ban goes into effect and assembling the rifle may be illegal.

If he's correct you'll want to have receipts for the lower, upper, and lower parts before a ban goes into effect.

If the hypothetical ban is either nearly identical, or more restrictive than the last ban then the difference between an assembled "pre-ban rifle" and an unassembled lower is the that stripped lower will be considered a "post ban rifle" reguardless of when the reciever was machined. I don't foresee extra loopholes being added to the hypothetical ban to allow for stripped recievers to retain pre-ban status.

Edward M. Owen, Jr., Chief of the Firearms Technology Branch of the BATF, has this to say:
"...The fact that the receiver may have been manufactured prior to September 13, 1994, is immaterial to classification of a weapon as a semiautomatic assault weapon. Additionally, payment or non-payment of excise tax is also immaterial to classification of a firearm as a semiautomatic assault weapon."

What he's reiterating is, as far as pre-ban and post-ban is concerned, the date of manufacture of the receiver has nothing to do with anything. If your [Semiautomatic Assault Weapon] was built into a whole SAW, or in a complete kit form, before Sept. 13, 1994 (The Date), you are the lucky owner of a pre-ban receiver. Notice I say SAW. The existence of firearm alone is not enough - it had to be in a form that would now be illegal to manufacture. If the gun was built after The Date, if the receiver was without all of the parts to make a SAW before The Date, or if it was not in a SAW form before The Date, then it is post-ban. Let me give you a few examples to clarify this:

The only loophole reguarding home-built firearms I see in the '94 ban is that unlike the Hughes Amendment to the "Firearm Owners Protection Act (which required machine guns be fully assembled to be considered transferable), if you were in possesion of all the peices of a "kit" firearm it was not subject to the '94 ban if assembled post-ban. This technicality may not be present in a future bill.

http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?Itemid=42&id=28&option=com_content&task=view
among other sources...


On the subject of stocks: For me it's a no-brainer. I'd prefer the cheaper and more durable fixed stocks than the cheaply made telescopic ones I've tried. The last one I shot was was extra flimsy and it bugged the stuffing out of me. The owner barely comes up to my chest so it's understandable he wanted something that was adjustable. It sounds like you're building on the cheap Strad so I'd say go with the fixed stock for now, unless you're too short for even an A1 stock.

[Stradawhovious]

Building on the cheap? Maybe, I guess it depends on who you are. I'm simply trying to avoid building a POS, while altogether assembling this firearm before Obama takes office and grows his horns. Some of us simply don't have thousands of dollars lying around to build a gun, and I'm making due with what I have, and can afford.

Thanks for the advice on the stock though, any help is appreciated.

[tullibee]

Thanks. As far as I know, they are out of lowers, and do have DPMS lower parts kits in stock for $59. This is as of this afternoon.

I think Randy at Territorial probably still has a good supply of lowers (both the 2nd Amend version and other less $$$ versions), but you might not hear back from him immediately since I think he's hunting... maybe one of the Bill's guys could chime in on what they have in stock?