The Truth about 6.5 Ammo

[Ghost]

If you want an AR-15 buy a 308. If you really need to push it.

You should buy that POF one and post up a review. Pretty mixed reviews on them.

lol I can say the same for 6.5 grendal

You do say a lot

[Ghost]

Not for deer. But you brought up coyotes
You can get this in AR-15

http://www.accurateshooter.com/cartridge-guides/6mmbr/

Interesting the article mentions the 6PPC since there's a certain round that used that for the design. Hint, that round was the Grendel.

Yes I know that. What's your point?

Just thought it was interesting is all.

[acs75]

As a quick side note 238 replies to this thread. Gotta be up there on number of post?

[Ghost]

As a quick side note 238 replies to this thread. Gotta be up there on number of post?

Might as well keep it going

[acs75]

As a quick side note 238 replies to this thread. Gotta be up there on number of post?

Might as well keep it going

lol I'm sure the others will weigh in again

[acs75]

Ghost are you familiar with the 6mmbr? I know lil. But as with the 6.5 grendal it's a nice lil cartridge for AR-15.

[acs75]

Even though I'm not a fan of Erud. He may have some Good opinions on it. Being he is a competition guy. Maybe ran into few guys using it.

[Ghost]

Utah requires 500 ft lbs at 100 yards with a minimum of .24 caliber in a handgun. Rifle is any center fire.

Ok. Legal is a .17 hornet rifle. Don't be stupid.

How many elk have you shot? How much money would be sufficient for hunt cost before you would start moving up from a 6.5 Grendel (meaning a guided hunt where most outfitters say if you draw blood, that's your animal, you are done with a wounded bull)?

The Grendel is a good long range steel swatter, a good all around deer/pronghorn round, but a marginal elk round, and in my opinion, an unethical long range elk round. It's also not a moose cartridge. Yes it can kill anything that walks, as can a .22 short... but that does not make it a good hunting round.

Before you trot out that canard about Europeans and the 6.5x55, remember that the European moose is about 70% the size of a Alaskan or Siberian moose, they are shot at very close range, and they are generally hunting with dogs (elghunds) so a wounded animal is almost always found. The 6.5 when used on moose is generally with a 160 grain bullet, which is also a bit out of the range of the Grendel's oal.

As to which upper, whichever works better for you. The cheap one may shoot well, while the expensive one may be so so. Personally, I have found you generally get what you pay for, but then again, fortunately for me $200 on my hunting rifle is not a matter of significant debate so I am not the guy to ask about budget choices.

From what I am seeing, yukonjasper is after an AR deer and maybe pronghorn gun as a range rifle. The Grendel will work excellently for that. I realize most are not going to do the level and amount of traveling hunting I do, which colors my thinking a bit, but of the new guys I see in elk hunts, all of them are hauling new .300 or .338s so it seems that if you can afford the $5000 for the hunt, you can afford a new gun for elk. All of the guys I have met hunting elk with a Grendel (all one of them) were industry comped writers. What he wrote was rather different than what I heard from the guide, and that really colors my thinking on that rifle choice. I will go so far as to say even if you paid for me to hunt elk or moose with a Grendel, I would not. I have too much respect for the animal.

I wanted to comment further about this.

crbutler, you are correct. Most people aren't taking a Grendel for their multi day paid guided hunts. I can only guess some of the reasons for that. They are the guys that are local and hunting on their own and have the time to take the right shot and the time to spend in the mountains.

A friend of mine lived in the moutains outside Denver and he took a really nice bull with his bow a couple years ago. Packed it all out himself, no help from anyone.

My cousin in Iowa has a full elk mounted in his garage, it's a nice garage, paid well for the hunt and took plenty of gun for it.

Different strokes for different folks.

[Ghost]

Ghost are you familiar with the 6mmbr? I know lil. But as with the 6.5 grendal it's a nice lil cartridge for AR-15.

I'm not versed in it

[Ghost]

Even though I'm not a fan of Erud. He may have some Good opinions on it. Being he is a competition guy. Maybe ran into few guys using it.

Why aren't you a fan of Erud? Can you point to the spot on your computer screen where his text has offended you?

[acs75]

We made it to 300!

[Ghost]

We made it to 300!

Looks like 250 to me. You really like your 300's, eh

[BigDog58]

Even a 40 S&W would work here

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[acs75]

We made it to 300!

Looks like 250 to me. You really like your 300's, eh

What the Heck! I misrepresented my own fact. Son of a......

Not sure where I seen 300.


But I do love my 300WM

[Erud]

The 6BR is a great cartridge. In bolt guns, there are few better rounds for competition shooting at mid range distances. People even do very well at 1000 with them if the wind isn't too tough. Low recoil, very efficient, and super easy to make shoot well - what's not to like? That said, I had an AR chambered in 6BR around 2011 and could never get it to run right or shoot well. After owning it and looking at it for a while, I did not like the amount of metal left in the chamber or on the bolt face. It's basically the same case head size as a .308 being made to work with a bolt and barrel designed for a .223. The mags were also problematic, and malfunctioned frequently. There may be better offerings now, but I wouldn't buy one due to the bolt thing. After several trips back to the manufacturer, they bought it back from me and I moved onto a better 6mm solution for the AR platform: the 6mm AR Turbo 40º Improved. It's a 6.5 Grendel case necked down to 6mm, then fire formed to get a 40º shoulder angle and shorter neck. It can handle 105 hybrids at mag length with no trouble. Varget, Reloder-15, or H4895 were all super easy to make shoot well with anything from 80-107 grains. My 600 yard load with 105's does just shy of 2800 fps. Earlier loads were closer to 2950, but brass life was not good at those speeds. I shot about 10k rounds of that cartridge in NRA Highpower matches, winning many including state and regional championships.

I also took a 900# grizzly bear with it. Took 2.5 magazines and I had to track it for 3 miles, but he went down. Was a good kill. *


























*Acs75 - I am just kidding about the bear. Only tracked him 2 miles, then lost interest and went out for pizza.