Mini 14

[MilLenox]

Hey guys, does anyone know if Ruger Mini 14's are considered "semiautomatic military-style assault weapon"? Meaning you'd have to get a Permit to Purchase?

[1911fan]

I think it might depend on the store, I have yet to see a list that says what they are, but I think they go more or less by what was on the 94 ban, and that did not list the mini 14. Some store owner might ask it, based on the principle of CMA, but I do not think it is listed.

[DeanC]

It's the law so it doesn't have to make sense.

Subd. 7. Semiautomatic military-style assault weapon.

"Semiautomatic military-style assault weapon" means:

(1) any of the following firearms:

(i) Avtomat Kalashnikov (AK-47) semiautomatic rifle type;

(ii) Beretta AR-70 and BM-59 semiautomatic rifle types;

(iii) Colt AR-15 semiautomatic rifle type;

(iv) Daewoo Max-1 and Max-2 semiautomatic rifle types;

(v) Famas MAS semiautomatic rifle type;

(vi) Fabrique Nationale FN-LAR and FN-FNC semiautomatic rifle types;

(vii) Galil semiautomatic rifle type;

(viii) Heckler & Koch HK-91, HK-93, and HK-94 semiautomatic rifle types;

(ix) Ingram MAC-10 and MAC-11 semiautomatic pistol and carbine types;

(x) Intratec TEC-9 semiautomatic pistol type;

(xi) Sigarms SIG 550SP and SIG 551SP semiautomatic rifle types;

(xii) SKS with detachable magazine semiautomatic rifle type;

(xiii) Steyr AUG semiautomatic rifle type;

(xiv) Street Sweeper and Striker-12 revolving-cylinder shotgun types;

(xv) USAS-12 semiautomatic shotgun type;

(xvi) Uzi semiautomatic pistol and carbine types; or

(xvii) Valmet M76 and M78 semiautomatic rifle types;

(2) any firearm that is another model made by the same manufacturer as one of the firearms listed in clause (1), and has the same action design as one of the listed firearms, and is a redesigned, renamed, or renumbered version of one of the firearms listed in clause (1), or has a slight modification or enhancement, including but not limited to a folding or retractable stock; adjustable sight; case deflector for left-handed shooters; shorter barrel; wooden, plastic, or metal stock; larger clip size; different caliber; or a bayonet mount; and

(3) any firearm that has been manufactured or sold by another company under a licensing agreement with a manufacturer of one of the firearms listed in clause (1) entered into after the effective date of Laws 1993, chapter 326, to manufacture or sell firearms that are identical or nearly identical to those listed in clause (1), or described in clause (2), regardless of the company of production or country of origin.

The weapons listed in clause (1), except those listed in items (iii), (ix), (x), (xiv), and (xv), are the weapons the importation of which was barred by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms of the United States Department of the Treasury in July 1989.

Except as otherwise specifically provided in paragraph (d), a firearm is not a "semiautomatic military-style assault weapon" if it is generally recognized as particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes under United States Code, title 18, section 925, paragraph (d)(3), or any regulations adopted pursuant to that law.

[bstrawse]

Hey guys, does anyone know if Ruger Mini 14's are considered "semiautomatic military-style assault weapon"? Meaning you'd have to get a Permit to Purchase?

I've found this to widely vary store by store.

Example - Beretta CX-4 Storm in .40 that I purchased in April.

Gander Mountain informed me - no permit to purchase required.

Bill's required a permit to purchase to purchase.

I've no idea the right answer - I wound up buying from Bill's.

B

[MNIceMan]

GunStop - No.

[Pat]

Huh... I was told by a large inner city gun dealer, upon several occasions that I had purchased firearms, that a PTP/PTC was required of anyone purchasing ANY firearm, even a shotgun.

Wuz up with the law?

[user293]

Huh... I was told by a large inner city gun dealer, upon several occasions that I had purchased firearms, that a PTP/PTC was required of anyone purchasing ANY firearm, even a shotgun.

Wuz up with the law?

yea no... as soon as your 18, you can buy long guns( that dont conflict with the previous assault guidelines post) and you have to be 21 (and have a permit to purchase) to buy handguns(or assault weapons) from a licensed dealer. last year my buddy walked into wal-mart and walked out with a brand new savage .243 with no hassle but the paperwork.

[plblark]

'The store may require anything they want. It's not illegal. It's up to the customer to decide if they want to put up with the ********.

I recently bought a shotgun at Dick's ... Talk about retentive ... But they were burned once and are limiting their liability by instituting several checks, requiring some optional information to make the sale and having an extra safety waiver.

[MilLenox]

Thanks guys, I went to the shop 2day and asked the rep and he told me I didn't need a P2P. So I might pick one up 2morrow.

Did not see .223 Saiga on the list. Any info if those require P2P's?

[MisterOblivious]

Thanks guys, I went to the shop 2day and asked the rep and he told me I didn't need a P2P. So I might pick one up 2morrow.

Did not see .223 Saiga on the list. Any info if those require P2P's?

"Semiautomatic military-style assault weapon" means:

(1) any of the following firearms:

(i) Avtomat Kalashnikov (AK-47) semiautomatic rifle type
....
(2) any firearm that is another model made by the same manufacturer as one of the firearms listed in clause (1), and has the same action design as one of the listed firearms, and is a redesigned, renamed, or renumbered version of one of the firearms listed in clause (1), or has a slight modification or enhancement, including but not limited to a folding or retractable stock; adjustable sight; case deflector for left-handed shooters; shorter barrel; wooden, plastic, or metal stock; larger clip size; different caliber; or a bayonet mount; and

Same action from the same manufacturer but renamed and redesigned as a "hunting" firearm.

From the horse's mouth:

The "Saiga" carbines are based on the venerable АК Kalashnikov assault rifle and may come in the following versions:

Folks may quibble about the "suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes" clause, but I imagine nearly any store is going to require permit to purchase any version of the AK based firearms Saiga sells. If you for some odd reason were asking about the other Saiga in .223, the BARS 4-1, it's not to the point where we need a permit to purchase a bolt action quite yet

[Holland&Holland]

'The store may require anything they want. It's not illegal. It's up to the customer to decide if they want to put up with the ********.

I recently bought a shotgun at Dick's ... Talk about retentive ... But they were burned once and are limiting their liability by instituting several checks, requiring some optional information to make the sale and having an extra safety waiver.

+1 on that they even require a safety waiver on muzzle loaders.

[DonMn]

I bought a Mini 30 from Cabela's without a permit to purchase.