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Reading the wind.

Postby farmerj on Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:19 pm

I won't take credit for something that's taught in a lot of rifle courses. But here's a nice little link to learn about reading wind.

Outside of the bullet drop, this is the hardest to adjust for. It can change in the blink of an eye.

Position is important too, but wind will rule any day. hunting or on the range.

http://www.longrangehunting.com/article ... g-wind.php

Notes on wind velocity:

* 1-3 mph will move dry tall grass
* 2-4 mph - you can just feel on your face, large leaf, light stems move like maple leaves
* 5-6 mph - mirage tips 45 degrees
* 5-6 mph – flat lines a 24” piece of flagging ribbon
* 4-8 mph – will make small leaf, heavy stalks move like alder
* 6-10 mph – will move the tips of short needle trees like larch & spruce
* 10 mph – mirage starts to flat line
* 8-12 mph – will make brush like alder, small aspen etc start to move
* 10+ mph will make trees start to move



Giving a value to the wind is easy once a direction is determined. A 90 degree wind from either direction is a full value wind. These next angles get the following values:

* 90 degrees - full value
* 60 degrees - .85 value
* 45 degrees - .70 value
* 30 degrees - .50 value

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Re: Reading the wind.

Postby mnmike59 on Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:46 pm

Great info. Thanks. Ive recently acquried an interest in long range rifle, I can't wait to see what this will cost me. :roll:
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Re: Reading the wind.

Postby PhilaBOR on Sat Mar 20, 2010 4:06 pm

Anybody shoot the Elk River F-class weekly events? I made it to two of them last year and hope to make a few this year. Lots of fun.

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Re: Reading the wind.

Postby Grandpa Rex on Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:31 pm

I recall years ago a chart for determining wind speed from observing a standard American flag...I tried to find it again recently with no luck.

Anyone know a source?
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Re: Reading the wind.

Postby farmerj on Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:36 pm

Grandpa Rex wrote:I recall years ago a chart for determining wind speed from observing a standard American flag...I tried to find it again recently with no luck.

Anyone know a source?

http://www.snipersparadise.com/marksmanship/weather.htm

Angle of the Dangle.... Divide the angle by 4.

The flag method is the most common method used to estimate wind speed. A flag blowing in the wind will naturally blow away from the flagpole, with the angle of the bottom of the flag to the flagpole increasing with increasing windspeed. To estimate the wind speed in mph, the angle in degrees between the bottom of the flag to the flagpole at the mid-range position between the shooter and the target is divided by 4. For example, an angle of 60 degrees between the bottom of a flag and a flagpole would be estimated as a 15 miles per hour (24 km/h) windspeed.


The most desired method of determining wind is by reading mirage. A mirage is a reflection of the heat through several layers of air at different temperatures and density. A Sniper can see the mirage as long as there is a difference in ground and air temperature. In order to see this mirage the Sniper must focus his spotting scope on an object at midrange, then place the scope back onto the target without readjusting the focus. As observed through the telescope, the mirage appears to move with the same velocity and direction as the wind, except when blowing straight into or away from the scope. Then the mirage gives the appearance of moving straight upward with no lateral movement. This is called a " boiling mirage." In general, changes in wind, up to 12 mph can be readily and accurately determined by observing the mirage.
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Re: Reading the wind.

Postby goalie on Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:15 am

The most desired method of determining wind is by reading mirage. A mirage is a reflection of the heat through several layers of air at different temperatures and density. A Sniper can see the mirage as long as there is a difference in ground and air temperature. In order to see this mirage the Sniper must focus his spotting scope on an object at midrange, then place the scope back onto the target without readjusting the focus. As observed through the telescope, the mirage appears to move with the same velocity and direction as the wind, except when blowing straight into or away from the scope. Then the mirage gives the appearance of moving straight upward with no lateral movement. This is called a " boiling mirage." In general, changes in wind, up to 12 mph can be readily and accurately determined by observing the mirage.


This is why a GOOD spotting scope (or riflescope) means good resolution, not necessarily high-power. Too much power will often leave you unable to see the mirage, especially with poor resolution.

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Re: Reading the wind.

Postby Rip Van Winkle on Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:27 pm

If anyone's interested, I found these on my hard drive from years ago when I use to shoot 30 cal.

The numbers at 6 & 12 o:clock are wind speed, the other numbers in the circle are windage corrections in 1/2 minute clicks and the Roman numerals on the outside are wind direction.
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Re: Reading the wind.

Postby farmerj on Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:43 pm

Those will work for more than just the .30 cal too.

the M855 and M80 ball ammo have very similar ballistics and as such, the come-ups and wind holds are very close and similar.

One of the nice things of using surplus ball for practicing. 5.56 is cheap compared to 7.62.
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Re: Reading the wind.

Postby Pat on Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:47 pm

More stuff to make me realize how little I really know. Holy smokes!
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Re: Reading the wind.

Postby goalie on Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:46 pm

A friend of mine wrote a nice article on reading the wind, I think it was for Precision Shooting magazine. I'll look it up and post it.
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Re: Reading the wind.

Postby goalie on Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:56 pm

Here's that article. Emil is from NY, but we got into some trouble together back in the day right here in St Paul chasing women when we were not playing chess or training cops up at Ripley.

http://www.6mmbr.com/windreading.html
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