.30-AR vs. .308 ... both Remington, both 7.75 lbs

[rugersol]

It's been suggested the new Remington .30-AR could be used for 3-Gun Heavy Metal. That may be so. And of course, I'm sure it'd kill a deer, at most any range most anyone could, jest fine.

Remington's own website lists the .30-AR at 22in bbl and 7.75 lbs ... and their .308 R-25 (AR) at 20in bbl and 7.75 lbs. That looks more 'er less flush, to me.

It got me curious ... if a .30-AR needs a 22in bbl to make its numbers ... and as a result is gonna weigh over 7 lbs ... with everyone makin' .308 AR's now, what kinda future could it possibly have?

Looks like ya could save a couple hunderd dollars goin' with the .30-AR ... the gun, that is. I gotta figure comparable ammo's gonna go fer more. No clue how long that'd take to make it up.

IIRC, .308 mags are 20rd ... anyone got any clue what the top-end is for a .30-AR mag?

[JJ]

I think that 30AR is going the way of 338 Fed, another solution to a non-existent problem. Load data doesn't seem to be readily available and I'm guessing brass is gonna be pretty tough to find long term.

[UnaStamus]

.300AAC Blackout is a much more legitimate cartridge, and runs off of the 5.56mm platform. I would consider that cartridge to be a much better option than the .30AR. The load data is there, the components are coming out, and the ammunition is going to be coming in the near future from many of the major manufacturers. Whether it's legit for Heavy Metal or not, I don't know. You'll have to discuss that with the even coordinators.
If you're going to run a heavier LR308/AR-10 platform, just run .308. Ammunition is much more available and you know the cartridge itself is very dependable. There are ways to reduce recoil, with muzzle brakes being a big help.

[hammAR]

There are ways to reduce recoil, with muzzle brakes being a big help.

..............couldn't resist that one...... ......damn, I'm going to throw up..............

[rugersol]

.300AAC Blackout is a much more legitimate cartridge, and runs off of the 5.56mm platform

.300 Blackout don't nearly make the numbers .30-AR, does ... basically, 7.62x39 numbers. No clue if that makes Heavy Metal pf ... but I'd doubt it.

However, it appears for all the world that Remington, of all people, sought to have .300 Blackout approved by SAAMI jest last year ... which they did. Moreover, Remington is manufacturing .300 Blackout ammo.

'Near as I can tell, max capacity for .30-AR is 9rd in a mag the same size as a .223 30rd ... vs., apparently, 30rd of .300 Blackout.

Wilson Combat was mentioned in .30-AR Shooting Illustrated article (last year) as someone "committed" to producing a .30-AR gun. In looking on their site today, I see at least 4 different .300 Blackout uppers, and no mention whatsoever, of .30-AR.

At this point, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect to see Remington offer a new .300 Blackout R-15, in the near future.

Question is, will they continue to sell TWO different .30 .223-length AR's?

As of this writing, the poll is 9-0 in favor of .308. At the very least, if I owned a .30-AR, I'd start stocking up.

[Pat]

I read in one of the gun rags lately that the 30-AR is balistically similar to the 30-30.

[rugersol]

I read in one of the gun rags lately that the 30-AR is balistically similar to the 30-30.

Looks like it depends on bbl-length.

With a 22in bbl, it looks like it's closer to .308.

I thought I read over a year ago it was more like .30-30 ... maybe they used a shorter bbl ... maybe I dreamt it ... don't know.

[Norsesmithy]

I don't see .30 RAR having much of a future, unless rifles became registered and a PITA to get a permit for, because .30-RAR lets you do nearly what .308 will do, in the same lower as your home defense 5.56 upper, your .204 Ruger varmit upper, your hog hunting/dangerous game .458 Socom, your plinking .22, your .50 caliber muzzle loader upper, your crossbow upper, and your belt fed 12 gauge upper.

[timwarner]

22" is an awefully long barrel.

[Snowgun]

So, I'm lost...What are you planning to use this rifle for? HM and deerhunting? Seems like you should pick one or the other (at least spec your decision on one, you could still use it for the other).

Sounds like trying to get too tricky could lead to PITA issues. At least that's what everyone keeps telling me.

[rugersol]

So, I'm lost...

try to keep up!

I don't usually ask others what guns I should git ... I figured this was a place to talk about guns ... in MN ... what else am I gonna do? ... blather on about butchering some otherwise fine rifle?

[Snowgun]

So, I'm lost...

try to keep up!

I don't usually ask others what guns I should git ... I figured this was a place to talk about guns ... in MN ... what else am I gonna do? ... blather on about butchering some otherwise fine rifle?

Ouch dude. Ouch.



I can't contribute much, but from my experience trying to find a bullpup 308 to use for HM, I can only pass on the sage advice that was given to me:

"Stop being an idiot and just buy a standard AR".

[Pat]

Wilson makes a fantaststic AR in .308. Why muck around with a cartridge which you are unsure will be widely available?

[rsilvers]

300 AAC BLACKOUT can make 320PF Major even in a 9 inch barrel if you use a heavy bullet like the 220 MK.

With a 16 inch barrel, A1680 powder can push a Sierra 175 to make 330PF - 1900 fps at or below 55,000 psi.

Yes, there is not a super flat trajectory, but there will be custom scope reticles to deal with that.