poll: problems "building" AR uppers/lowers?!

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I built my own AR ...

lower, and it didn't work!
1
1%
lower, and I screwed something up!
0
No votes
lower, and it worked perfectly!
50
60%
lower, and I just needed a little help to get it working perfectly!
2
2%
upper, and it didn't work!
0
No votes
upper, and I screwed something up!
1
1%
upper, and it worked perfectly!
26
31%
upper, and I just needed a little help to get it working perfectly!
2
2%
upper, and I didn't use a torque wrench, and I think that's why it didn't work!
0
No votes
I regret buying my own AR wrench, roll-pin punches, and/or spanner wrench!
0
No votes
 
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poll: problems "building" AR uppers/lowers?!

Postby rugersol on Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:41 am

Every now 'n then, someone asks about a new AR ... and someone like me says "build it!"

The typical concerns against that are "investment in special tools", "component availability", "skill ... 'er lack thereof", and "will it work?!"

Like many others, I've taken the plunge, and had great success! :yippee:

Recent posts have got me thinkin' ... who's actually suffered failures?! ... exactly how risky is it, to build yer own?! :|

Ya can choose multiple items in the poll! ;)

If ya wouldn't mind, please post as to what kinda failure ya experienced ... and what ya thought was the cause?!

I added the torque wrench just to see if it's really necessary ... I know some guys think it is ... I'm sure using it don't hurt nothin' ... just curious how many didn't use it, and attribute failure to not using it?! I'm not really interested in a debate on the topic ... start a new thread, for that! ;)

I woulda added a few more options ... but the limit's 10! Image
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Re: poll: problems "building" AR uppers/lowers?!

Postby photogpat on Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:43 am

You forgot failure due to lack of available parts since everyone's buyin' one right now!
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Re: poll: problems "building" AR uppers/lowers?!

Postby rugersol on Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:45 am

photogpat wrote:You forgot failure due to lack of available parts since everyone's buyin' one right now!

I'd be very surprised if that's all I forgot! ;)

... you sayin' you're dead in the water waitin' on a component?! ... which one(s)?!
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Re: poll: problems "building" AR uppers/lowers?!

Postby photogpat on Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:50 am

rugersol wrote:
photogpat wrote:You forgot failure due to lack of available parts since everyone's buyin' one right now!

I'd be very surprised if that's all I forgot! ;)

... you sayin' you're dead in the water waitin' on a component?! ... which one(s)?!


Not dead in the water -- just don't wanna pay the inflated prices currently hitting the market.

I'm trying to put together a 20" Government Profile A4 Upper with chromed bolt carrier...
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Postby Scratch on Wed Aug 15, 2012 9:28 am

Here's a little off topic question.... But slightly related....

When installing my last barrel, I tightened the front HG by hand, then used the torque wrench to 30, noticed I was about half way through the hole so I turned it to the next hole which was past 40. Got to probably 45 or so.... :(

I heard that re doing the sequence may help, so I loosened, then tried two other times, same results. Anybody else have this problem?

Still shoots great though....
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Re: poll: problems "building" AR uppers/lowers?!

Postby rugersol on Wed Aug 15, 2012 9:42 am

Scratch wrote:Here's a little off topic question.... But slightly related....

When installing my last barrel, I tightened the front HG by hand, then used the torque wrench to 30, noticed I was about half way through the hole so I turned it to the next hole which was past 40. Got to probably 45 or so.... :(

I heard that re doing the sequence may help, so I loosened, then tried two other times, same results. Anybody else have this problem?

Still shoots great though....

That's purdy much why I don't bother with a torque wrench ... my personal rule of thumb is, I get it "hand" tight (no popeye stuff ... just snug), then I use the AR wrench and just give it a little bit (again, no popeye stuff ... but certainly past what I could otherwise do bare-handed) ... this would be enough tightness that it would most likely not come loose, without some direct effort (certainly, not on its own) ... then I look at the holes ... if I'm on, or very close, I go to the next hole! ... otherwise, I go to the hole comin' up!

With that, I've done almost a dozen bbl installs ... and the couple that were jest about "on", to start, by the time ya got it to the next hole, ya really couldn't care less what the torque might be ... 'cause yer sure the upper'd snap! :shock:

FWIW, D-Tech makes his own handguards now ... that eliminate this issue ... basically, he uses a jam-nut for the holes! ... I ain't tried one ... all mine shoot great, as is! :mrgreen: (and I still don't have a torque wrench, anyhow)
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Re: poll: problems "building" AR uppers/lowers?!

Postby rukwikenuf on Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:33 pm

Lower was a breeze, Walstien is working the trigger for me to smooth it out (cheapo CMMG LPK).
the upper I got from Rugersol worked fine, but I wanted a TROY forearm, so I switched bbl nuts for the stock type, and put on a low pro gas block. So I basically rebuilt it. I had Ryan @ BGS look over it (and I didn't have an AR Wrench so I used his). Its fine now, and a fair bit lighter too!
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Re: poll: problems "building" AR uppers/lowers?!

Postby Duff-Man on Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:22 am

I didn't build my upper so I didn't answer that part. But I have taken it appart and put it back together for various reasons, new handguards, boredom.....

I think I could do it all now, but I've watched so many videos on it and still do from time to time.
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Re: poll: problems "building" AR uppers/lowers?!

Postby rugersol on Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:46 am

Duff-Man wrote:I didn't build my upper so I didn't answer that part. But I have taken it appart and put it back together for various reasons, new handguards, boredom.....

I think I could do it all now, but I've watched so many videos on it and still do from time to time.

Ya may as well go ahead and tick the upper, too!

... only part worth mentioning is the bbl-nut (presuming ya had to replace it, for at least one of the handguards? :? ) ... and of course, the gas-block pins, if ya don't otherwise use a set-screw or clamp-on model?! :shock:

Just to clarify for those that ain't done it ... there's two types of "assembled" uppers ... there's the "complete" upper (which is ready to shoot ... once ya slap it onto the lower) ... and then there's the "assembled upper receiver" (which already has the ejection-port cover installed, and the forward-assist ... if so equipped) ... the latter, otherwise being a "stripped upper receiver" (at which, ya got a little fumbling with a microscopic e-clip for the ejection-port cover, and a roll-pin for the forward-assist assembly).

Presuming you're starting with an "assembled upper receiver", and you're gonna do a lo-pro set-screw gas-block and a free-float handguard, ya simply set the bbl into the receiver, slide on the bbl-nut (comes with most any free-float handguard) and screw it down onto the receiver (this "clamps" the bbl in place) ... the bbl-nut will have little holes all the way around ... ya need to line one of 'em up, with the gas-tube hole in the upper receiver (without loosening the bbl-nut ... IOW, ya gotta go tighter, if at all) ... the gas-tube is usually pinned into the gas-block (no big deal, with a proper roll-pin punch) ... slide the gas-block (preferably with the gas-tube already pinned in) onto the bbl ... it should slide on, until it meets a ridge in the bbl ... there's also a hole in the bbl (gas port) ... this should line up with a corresponding hole in the gas-block (very near where ya pinned the tube) ... tighten down the set-screws on the gas-block (there may also be dents in the bbl lining up with these screws) ... the handguard then simply threads onto the bbl-nut (if there's a jam-nut, that should go on first, then the handguard until it's close to the jam-nut, "clock" the handguard as ya like, then turn the jam-nut against it, to lock it down ... this'll require a spanner-wrench of sorts) ... aside from the muzzle device, the BCG and latch slide in/out (as they otherwise would for regular cleaning, anyhow) ... done! Image

Ya may also wanna use some anti-seizing compound on the bbl-nut/upper-receiver ... and some loc-tite on the gas-block set-screws ... and a crush-washer with a muzzle-device!

An upper-receiver block can also be used to hold the upper in a vise, whilst ya do some of that stuff! ;)

ETA: once ya "built" your first upper, ya'll probly never buy another "complete" one, again! ... that'd take all the fun outta it! ;)
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Re: poll: problems "building" AR uppers/lowers?!

Postby Erik_Pakieser on Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:54 am

The hardest part I have encountered is balancing the gas port size with the buffer and spring. My AR is all top-of-the-line parts (Daniel Defense, LMT, BCM) and it's been pretty finicky. I sent it to ADCO and had them do some work on it, ran like a top for a while, and now it's short-cycling again. I am thinking of buying a built BCM complete upper and parting this one out.

The upper is where all of the big moving parts are. No problems whatsoever with lower receivers, they are pretty straightforward, although fitting some of the pins can be challenging.
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Re: poll: problems "building" AR uppers/lowers?!

Postby rugersol on Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:06 am

Erik_Pakieser wrote:The hardest part I have encountered is balancing the gas port size with the buffer and spring. My AR is all top-of-the-line parts (Daniel Defense, LMT, BCM) and it's been pretty finicky. I sent it to ADCO and had them do some work on it, ran like a top for a while, and now it's short-cycling again. I am thinking of buying a built BCM complete upper and parting this one out.

The upper is where all of the big moving parts are. No problems whatsoever with lower receivers, they are pretty straightforward, although fitting some of the pins can be challenging.

Is your gas-block pinned? ... or set-screw/clamp-on?! ... if latter, it might be creeping outta alignment with the port ... happened to me on my .300! :oops: ... won't happen, again! :twisted:

Ya might also try an adjustable gas-block?! ... I put a Kies on my .300 ... had to ding the threads to keep the screw from walking ... other than that, it's really slick! Image (fair warning: the gas-tube ain't pinned to the block ... they use a microscopic screw with an even more microscopic hex-wrench that comes with it ... thought for sure the thing'd snap in two ... no clue why they didn't just pin it?!)

I always use carbine springs/buffers ... never had a problem! ... even with my 10.5in .223! (that's a Danny Defense bbl, FWIW ... PSA upper and BCG)
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Re: poll: problems "building" AR uppers/lowers?!

Postby rugersol on Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:17 am

Looks like 1/30 chance ya'll screw up the lower ... and 1/16 ya'll screw up the upper! Image

I like them odds! 8-)
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Re: poll: problems "building" AR uppers/lowers?!

Postby snlit3 on Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:34 pm

i'm crossing my fingers to assemble this weekend. parts pile is growing, but not fast enough. :mrgreen:
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Re: poll: problems "building" AR uppers/lowers?!

Postby rugersol on Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:42 am

Well, yer odds of success jest shot up to 38/39 (lower) and 20/21 (upper)! Image

... don't get cocky, though! :?
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Re: poll: problems "building" AR uppers/lowers?!

Postby scout on Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:52 am

I just built my lower receiver last night, the first one I've ever built. I read a guide on AR15.com and watched a tutorial video on youtube and it took me about an hour or so going slow and taking my time. I thought it was pretty easy and I learned more about the AR's innards during this build than I ever did in my 8 years of military service carrying one. I didn't buy any of the special tools, I had one punch already that worked to set the roll pins and I just wrapped my buffer tube with a piece of cloth and used a wrench to carefully tighten it. Easy peasy.

Also, I just bought a [BCM] completed upper because after pricing out the pieces individually (I wanted some specific things) it actually seemed to be a break even or even cheaper to just buy one that was already built.
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