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Re: Minimalist 1911?

Postby MrVvrroomm on Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:25 pm

1911fan wrote:If I don't have a beaver tail, I get cut, just the way my hands fit the gun.
If you would learn how to shoot the hammer wouldn't bite you. Hammar says so.
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Re: Minimalist 1911?

Postby 1911fan on Thu Oct 01, 2009 5:13 pm

MrVvrroomm wrote:
1911fan wrote:If I don't have a beaver tail, I get cut, just the way my hands fit the gun.
If you would learn how to shoot the hammer wouldn't bite you. Hammar says so.



but I am a mere mortal, he is a GUNNY> and what he says is true....but I still get cut.



















which tells you what........ waiting Bueller.....Bueller?
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Re: Minimalist 1911?

Postby Pat Cannon on Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:20 pm

I like the irony of a Filipino 1911, considering that the .45 ACP cartridge was pretty much developed for shooting Filipinos.
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Re: Minimalist 1911?

Postby 1911fan on Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:20 pm

Pat Cannon wrote:I like the irony of a Filipino 1911, considering that the .45 ACP cartridge was pretty much developed for shooting Filipinos.



To which the only viable response is, they know from experience what works....
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Re: Minimalist 1911?

Postby hammAR on Fri Oct 02, 2009 5:49 am

1911fan wrote:
MrVvrroomm wrote:
1911fan wrote:If I don't have a beaver tail, I get cut, just the way my hands fit the gun.
If you would learn how to shoot the hammer wouldn't bite you. Hammar says so.



but I am a mere mortal, he is a GUNNY> and what he says is true....but I still get cut.


...sometimes facts are hard to deal with..............a beaver tail is like a seatbelt or a helmet, they are for when you screw up......... :rotf:
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Re: Minimalist 1911?

Postby Veldy on Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:36 pm

MrVvrroomm wrote:I paid $300 for my Armscor Rock Island Armory GI, slightly used two days ago.

I have three other plastic 45's. The point of my original post was to inquire about some different sights. I'm not looking to make this a race gun. It certainly doesn't need curb feelers. It was cheap and I'd like to keep it that way. It is my feeling that $300 for this was a bargain.


I understand completely. I don't know what Novak sights will run you, but that is what came stock on my 1911 and I really like them. Horizontal alignment of the three white dots with the center on target and you are sighted for combat distance. I don't have much experience with different sights, so I can't really say more beyond that. If you can get them with tritium for low light aiming that is probably all the better; but I think in most circumstances, the light is dim due to the setting sun (or rising sun) and the time where these sites help you out can be small. Of course, there are other scenarios where night sights can be useful. Personally, I would skip the night sights and put a crimson trace laser on the pistol. Again, you looking at a few hundred dollars. I haven't done so [yet] for my own pistol, but then, I keep practicing with the hope that even under stress I won't miss. Of course, my real goal is to never need it beyond target practice.

All in one sentence though; I recommend you take a look at the Novak sights and you can browse their website here: http://www.novaksights.com/. The web site is hard to navigate and the guns are over priced to say the least, but you can get an idea of what is out there and do your shopping elsewhere.

I hope that helps.
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Re: Minimalist 1911?

Postby 1911fan on Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:58 pm

Novaks will require milling the slide. Wilson makes some good ones as does kings that do not require milling. I have a couple of different styles you can look at. Let me know.
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Re: Minimalist 1911?

Postby White Horseradish on Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:36 pm

I have two RIAs and that Charles Daly Pat was talking about. I only have one thing to say - buy good springs. A decent sear spring (I got Colt) will make a world of difference.
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Re: Minimalist 1911?

Postby Veldy on Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:05 am

1911fan wrote:Novaks will require milling the slide. Wilson makes some good ones as does kings that do not require milling. I have a couple of different styles you can look at. Let me know.


If he has a smith put the sights on, then it doesn't really matter beyond the price. I am not familiar with the particular gun he purchased to say whether replacing sights on that gun (slide) is something that he can do or might need a smith for anyway. Just a thought is all. Somebody more familiar with the gun can probably speak to that better than I can. All I know is that I love the Novak sights.
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Re: Minimalist 1911?

Postby hammAR on Sat Oct 03, 2009 9:44 am

I would not spend a lot of time worrying about night sights, in a real world situation when you need to use your weapon, you will not see the sights anyhow............... :?
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Re: Minimalist 1911?

Postby nyffman on Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:01 am

I have a couple pistols with nite sites. One came with them, I had them added to the other one. While they are cool to see when you open the safe or put it in the bedside holster at night, I'd go with hammAR on this one as far as practical application in a real life situation since I'm pretty sure he's seen more real life situations than I have. :shock:
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Re: Minimalist 1911?

Postby hammAR on Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:18 am

I need to add, that in most low-no light situations you should be more focused on acquiring and identifying targets, you will only have milliseconds. With target ID and all other things going on and consuming you brain, if you have not prepared for the when/what, but rather the what if, your brain will be attempting to incorporate the 12 steps of Self defense, re: analyze the legal ramifications of the situation, fight/flight, move and cover, etc, etc,.......I assure you that you will not mentally or physically be able to locate, let alone use, the sights, this is not paper punching.....get used to it, it is reality, and you should be practicing as such.......
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Re: Minimalist 1911?

Postby Pat on Sat Oct 03, 2009 1:16 pm

hammAR wrote:I need to add, that in most low-no light situations you should be more focused on acquiring and identifying targets, you will only have milliseconds. With target ID and all other things going on and consuming you brain, if you have not prepared for the when/what, but rather the what if, your brain will be attempting to incorporate the 12 steps of Self defense, re: analyze the legal ramifications of the situation, fight/flight, move and cover, etc, etc,.......I assure you that you will not mentally or physically be able to locate, let alone use, the sights, this is not paper punching.....get used to it, it is reality, and you should be practicing as such.......


Precisely why I don't participate in the various pistol games. While I'm sure they are a lot of fun and really help to popularize shooting in general, I would be afraid of ingraining bad habits which are not conducive to combat situations. The combat pistol training I have done has really opened my eyes.
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Re: Minimalist 1911?

Postby rtk on Sat Oct 03, 2009 1:28 pm

Pat wrote:
hammAR wrote:I need to add, that in most low-no light situations you should be more focused on acquiring and identifying targets, you will only have milliseconds. With target ID and all other things going on and consuming you brain, if you have not prepared for the when/what, but rather the what if, your brain will be attempting to incorporate the 12 steps of Self defense, re: analyze the legal ramifications of the situation, fight/flight, move and cover, etc, etc,.......I assure you that you will not mentally or physically be able to locate, let alone use, the sights, this is not paper punching.....get used to it, it is reality, and you should be practicing as such.......


Precisely why I don't participate in the various pistol games. While I'm sure they are a lot of fun and really help to popularize shooting in general, I would be afraid of ingraining bad habits which are not conducive to combat situations. The combat pistol training I have done has really opened my eyes.



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Re: Minimalist 1911?

Postby Veldy on Sat Oct 03, 2009 2:09 pm

rtk wrote:
Pat wrote:Precisely why I don't participate in the various pistol games. While I'm sure they are a lot of fun and really help to popularize shooting in general, I would be afraid of ingraining bad habits which are not conducive to combat situations. The combat pistol training I have done has really opened my eyes.


What about dueling?


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